Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 7

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-09-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Yet everyone flamed me when I posted the John "The Jackass" Dorsey thread. Many should have seen he was an idiot way before the season started.

Picasso was not understood in his time

We are just now discovering the depth of Frank Zappas genius

The more we look at Capablanca's chess games with stronger computers the more we realize he was extremely ahead of his time.....and not understood

SO too will your genius thread be timelessly shared and re-examined through the ages like these things

**New World Order** · 09-09-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Who says Dorsey cherishes his draft picks?

If he really cherished his draft picks, he wouldn't have announced the Alex Smith deal so soon. Remember, it was announced the DAY after the 2013 combine. Dorsey would have played hardball for awhile to get the price down if he really cherished all his draft picks.

Instead he spent draft stock like he was at a restaurant and gave an extra-nice tip to Trent Baalke for excellent service.

I think Alex Smith was Andy Reid's decision.

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

http://overthecap.com/player/alex-smith/784/

Not according to this. You ****ing jackass.

Alex Smith got $45M gauranteed, moron. That puts him at the 7th highest QB in terms of gaurantees and every single penny of that $45M is going to be paid within the first 3 years.

For what?

What was the purpose of extending a guy like Alex when you are going to willingly let the few half way talented pieces walk off the roster and fill it in with jack and shit.

**New World Order** · 09-09-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Picasso was not understood in his time

We are just now discovering the depth of Frank Zappas genius

The more we look at Capablanca's chess games with stronger computers the more we realize he was extremely ahead of his time.....and not understood

SO too will your genius thread be timelessly shared and re-examined through the ages like these things

You were one of the few who could see through Dorsey's bullshit

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Alex Smith got $45M gauranteed, moron. That puts him at the 7th highest QB in terms of gaurantees and every single penny of that $45M is going to be paid within the first 3 years.

Listen you ****ing dickcheese. $15 mil of that is only guaranteed if he is still on the roster in 2017.
Click on the ****ing link. It shows you specifically what his cap hit is per year. You are right it is over 36 mil but not very damn much.

ChiefsCountry · 09-09-2014, 01:38 PM

How in the hell did Pioli inherit a dumpster fire? In 2009 this franchise was stocked with young talent that essentially needed two maybe 3 more drafts into turning this into one hell of a team for many years.

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Listen you ****ing dickcheese. $15 mil of that is only guaranteed if he is still on the roster in 2017.
Click on the ****ing link. It shows you specifically what his cap hit is per year. You are right it is over 36 mil but not very damn much.

You are dumb as ****.

**New World Order** · 09-09-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

How in the hell did Pioli inherit a dumpster fire? In 2009 this franchise was stocked with young talent that essentially needed two maybe 3 more drafts into turning this into one hell of a team for many years.

This. When Pioli arrived he had what many incoming GMs did not:

Franchise LT

Franchise RB

2 good corners

Good pass rusher

Pro Bowl Caliber WR

**RealSNR** · 09-09-2014, 01:41 PM

People said, "Who ****ing cares about 2nd round picks? They're second round picks."

They are also draft picks that allow you the agency to pick whatever the **** you want or need. You can justify any non-kicker position drafted with a 2nd round pick. You can't do that with #1 overall. If an interior OL really is the best player in the draft, you can't just take him at #1 overall.

I argued over and over again last offseason after the draft that Dorsey should have given the 49ers the #1 overall pick for Alex Smith if he was going to waste it on a walking AIDS fire like Eric Fisher. People called me crazy for no other reason than, "IT'S THE #1 OVERALL PICK!"

Yeah, it is. I agree it's ****ing huge. So use it wisely... don't just take an undersized MAC conference pussy of a LT when we already had Albert, Winston, and Stephenson on the team. If you are going to take the coward's way out with the #1 pick, you may as well burn it and get your magic Alex Smith that you think is going to save the day.

Instead, we used the #1 overall pick to save about $5 million per year on our LT. THAT'S. ****ING. IT. That's what we used our #1 pick on.

Christ.

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You are dumb as ****.

I have given you proof, but it doesn't fit your agenda so you will choose to ignore. Now who is the ****ing dumbass again?

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I have given you proof, but it doesn't fit your agenda so you will choose to ignore. Now who is the ****ing dumbass again?

You have only proven how dumb you are.

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You have only proven how dumb you are.

Did you ever check out the link? Are you saying that Over the cap is wrong?

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Did you ever check out the link? Are you saying that Over the cap is wrong?

Overthecap is 100% right. It's you that's 100% wrong because you can't even read your own ****ing link.

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

$15 mil of that is only guaranteed if he is still on the roster in 2017.

Quote where Overthecap says this... PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!

**RealSNR** · 09-09-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

I think Alex Smith was Andy Reid's decision.

It was everyone's decision. Clark Hunt came right out and said after the season was over that spending a draft pick on a QB carried a lot of risk and that in this particular class of QBs he didn't see anybody he really liked

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4443447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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