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View Poll Results: Compare and contrast the QB history of these teams.
*** Part 1 - Which team has a better 50-year history? 2 3.70%
Arizona Cardinals 30 55.56%
Atlanta Falcons 20 37.04%
*** Part 2 - How would you rate the Cardinals' quarterback history? 2 3.70%
Very strong 0 0%
Somewhat strong 6 11.11%
About average 26 48.15%
Somewhat weak 16 29.63%
Very weak 4 7.41%
*** Part 3 - How would you rate the Falcons' quarterback history? 2 3.70%
Very strong 0 0%
Somewhat strong 3 5.56%
About average 25 46.30%
Somewhat weak 19 35.19%
Very weak 5 9.26%
It's not my right to judge. 3 5.56%
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:11 PM  
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The talk of quarterback history got me wondering about franchise histories with quarterbacks. What franchises have had good luck and which franchises have had bad luck?

It's too easy to by myopic about the Chiefs, so I thought a tournament could be fun where we compare different teams' quarterback histories.

It's a little tough to define the time period, because we have some teams that are nearly 100 years old and others that are less than 20. Also, quarterbacking has changed over the decades, and a long-lived quarterback can last 15+ years.

I decided to go back 50 years, which is long enough that it'll wash out one lucky quarterback pick, but not so far back that the quarterback was blocking in a flying wedge. If a team is less than 50 years old, I'll also include "% of franchise life" so we can do a head to head comparison.

We'll go in alphabetical order, so our first tournament entries are the Arizona Cardinals and Atlanta Falcons. Let's take a look at the leading passers for the Atlanta Falcons over the past 50 years. Which team has a better 50-year record at the quarterback position?

Cardinals

Jim Hart - 13 seasons at QB
Neil Lomax - 7
Jake Plummer - 6
Kurt Warner - 4
Carson Palmer - 2
Kevin Kolb - 2
Steve Beuerlein - 2
Charley Johnson - 2
Drew Stanton - 1
Derek Anderson - 1
Matt Leinert - 1
Josh McCown - 1
Jeff Blake - 1
Boomer Esiason - 1
Dave Krieg - 1
Chris Chandler - 1
Tom Tupa - 1
Tim Rosenbach - 1
Gary Hogeboom - 1
Gary Cuozzo - 1

Falcons
Steve Bartkowski - 9 seasons at QB
Matt Ryan - 8
Chris Chandler - 5
Chris Miller - 5
Bob Berry - 5
Michael Vick - 4
Jeff George - 2
Bobby Hebert - 2
David Archer - 2
Bob Lee - 2
Randy Johnson - 2
Joey Harrington - 1
Doug Johnson - 1
Scott Campbell - 1
Scott Hunter - 1
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:12 PM   #2
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:19 PM   #3
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:26 PM   #4
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Here's my initial thinking.

A team doesn't have a good QB situation if a guy is a one-year leader. Granted, some of these may be injury situations, but it still then means that they lost their starter.

The Cardinals had 12 one-season leaders compared to only 4 for Atlanta. 20 of the past 50 seasons for Arizona have been 1 or 2 season leaders (18 if you don't count Carson Palmer who is still active), compared to only 14 for Atlanta. So Atlanta's troughs haven't been as bad as Arizona's.

At the top end, the Cardinals had a pretty decent QB at the helm for 24 seasons with consistency - Hart, Lomax, and Warner. Lomax wasn't great, but he held his own. In Atlanta, I'm a fan of the Chrises - Miller and Chandler. They were both underrated. Bartkowski and Ryan were/are both serviceable, but I don't think they're game-changers.

Would I rather have Arizona's boom and bust or Atlanta's greater consistency? I think you have a better chance to win a Super Bowl with Arizona's model. They've occasionally had a very strong QB behind the center, whereas Atlanta has not really hit the top level. I'll take Arizona.
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:44 PM   #5
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Arizona has had a better history but they are both pretty weak.

According to my impressions from watching them play in the 70s, I thought Hart was a better QB than Bartkowski, but reviewing statistics, the opposite is true. Still Bartowski was only playing at a decent level for a couple of years. Both teams were below .500 during their reigns.

Matt Ryan is decent. Kurt Warner had a few good years and Carson Palmer has rejuvenated his career.

These franchises have awful QB histories. I rated Atlanta as very weak and Arizona as somewhat weak.
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The Falcons have had several good to very good QB's, whether it's guys they drafted in Bartkowski, Vick, Chris Miller, Matt Schaub and Ryan or guys they acquired like Chris Chandler. Miller could have had an outstanding career had it not been for multiple concussions.

The Cardinals pale in comparison.
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Warner is the best QB to have played for either franchise, so that has to count for something. Falcons really have a lot of meh. Personally, I find Matt Ryan highly overrated. Call it some local bias but I'd go Cards and I don't think it's all that close.
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From 1974-1997, the Cardinals went to the playoffs four times, each with a drafted QB in Hart (2), Lomax (1) and Plummer (1). They lost in the first round every time. From 1998 to 2015, they went to the playoffs four times with QB's they acquired in Chandler, Warner, Palmer and Henson (Palmer's backup).

From 1978-2015, the Atlanta Falcons went to the playoffs 13 times, with drafted QB's making 11 trips (Bartkowski, Miller, Vick and Ryan) with Jeff George and Chris Chandler the other two.

While I'd probably take Kurt Warner's "good" years in AZ as the top dog, I'd rather have Atlanta's QB history if I was building a franchise.
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In case it makes any difference, I started the clock with the year 1966. For the Cardinals, Charley Johnson was the leading passer for five years, but only two from 1966 on. So he wasn't a two-year wonder.

The Falcons franchise started in 1966, so they have no such timing issue. (In an interesting coincidence, their leading passer those first two years was also a Johnson - Randy, not Charley.
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While it's not a perfect measure, the Falcons had 10 pro bowls during this period from several quarterbacks. The most was Ryan with 3. The Cardinals had 8, and Hart had 4 of those.
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I have a feeling this poll will disappoint because, in the mind of most fare-weather fans, SB wins are the deciding factor and most folks here don't have enough background to judge teams over their past 50 years, (I certainly don't as I was born in the mid 70's).

In this first example we have 0 SBs won, (good match up). When we get to a MIA vs. NYG matchup, I'd predict that NYG would win despite the fact that 25 years of serviceable QBs Simms and sHeli, (4-1 in the SB), weren't as good as 27 years of Griese and Marino's talent, (2-3 in the SB).

The average fan's mind is clouded by SB wins. In most cases they don't even realize the effect of powerful Defenses.

My favorite example of a "great" QB is Rothisberger. I'd say he's a good QB at this point but in his rookie year the Steelers won the SB in spite of him. 123 yds/0 TDs/ 2 INTs. He, and the refs, beat the Cardinals in 2009 and they lost in 2011 to GB, yet, I expect the Steelers to win quite a few rounds in this competition despite their relatively shitty history of QBs.
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