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Old 08-08-2014, 08:42 AM  
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Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:43 PM   #151
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:45 PM   #152
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Smith's history of % of completions to RBs was actually avg in his 49ers career.

Travis Kelce has the biggest potential to boost the offense over last year.

Fasano has very little utility outside of the redzone. He requires little attention from a defense.
The longest play of his career is 35 yards.

Kelce can burn a defense if they screw up. Production of a Vernon Davis light. Mostly done in the mid-range where KC got so little production done.

People wouldn't believe how low Vernon Davis has been in YAC over the years despite how fast he is. Kelce is probably better than him at this. Vernon just isn't agile and doesn't catch the ball out in front of his body with his feet ready to pivot up-field.
Chip in that 1 20-30 yard play a game and a couple more catches for whatever.
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:49 PM   #153
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Smith's history of % of completions to RBs was actually avg in his 49ers career.

Travis Kelce has the biggest potential to boost the offense over last year.

Fasano has very little utility outside of the redzone. He requires little attention from a defense.
The longest play of his career is 35 yards.

Kelce can burn a defense if they screw up. Production of a Vernon Davis light. Mostly done in the mid-range where KC got so little production done.

People wouldn't believe how low Vernon Davis has been in YAC over the years despite how fast he is. Kelce is probably better than him at this. Vernon just isn't agile and doesn't catch the ball out in front of his body with his feet ready to pivot up-field.
Chip in that 1 20-30 yard play a game and a couple more catches for whatever.
So this means we can trade straight up Kelce for Davis
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:00 PM   #154
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Smith's history of % of completions to RBs was actually avg in his 49ers career.

Travis Kelce has the biggest potential to boost the offense over last year.

Fasano has very little utility outside of the redzone. He requires little attention from a defense.
The longest play of his career is 35 yards.

Kelce can burn a defense if they screw up. Production of a Vernon Davis light. Mostly done in the mid-range where KC got so little production done.

People wouldn't believe how low Vernon Davis has been in YAC over the years despite how fast he is. Kelce is probably better than him at this. Vernon just isn't agile and doesn't catch the ball out in front of his body with his feet ready to pivot up-field.
Chip in that 1 20-30 yard play a game and a couple more catches for whatever.

I'm lost, did this guy say anything remotely intelligent or am I just drunk?
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:10 PM   #155
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I'm lost, did this guy say anything remotely intelligent or am I just drunk?
Mostly rambling from me. Point is I don't see the WRs causing defenses trouble. The unknown potential assets need to pay off and then the WRs will have less safety attention and then they will be open for some bigger plays.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:20 PM   #156
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Everyone loves to yell about how conservative Smith is but he will throw the ball if someone is open.
Wrong.

Alex has a very poor ability to recognize what "open" truly is in the NFL.

That's why he has always held the ball and taken sacks dating back to his days in San Fran.

**** him and the True Fans he rode in on.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:30 PM   #157
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:33 PM   #158
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Wrong.

Alex has a very poor ability to recognize what "open" truly is in the NFL.

That's why he has always held the ball and taken sacks dating back to his days in San Fran.

**** him and the True Fans he rode in on.
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The numbers add up 77 sacks on Smith 09-11 and the avg time is below the avg. His pass protection has almost always sucked. It's why he gets the ball out in 3 seconds or moves to run or throw / throw it away.

In 2012 in a few games he held the ball and took sacks. Because they were up and they odds to win were about 90%.
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I'm lost, did this guy say anything remotely intelligent or am I just drunk?
He's basically saying Kelce is going to go a long way in helping to open up the offense.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:38 PM   #160
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Alex Smith has been plagued with a shit OL and shit WR's his entire career. When is this guy going to catch a break and really shine?
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I think Alex Smith is going have to get rid of the ball quickly and by doing that he needs to target Dwayne Bowe often. Open or not D Bowe should come up with the ball more times than not. I think D Bowe dedicated himself this offseason and they need keep him active in games to help relieve JC all the duties.

Alex Smith needs take chances with getting rid of the ball and not get himself beat up with taking sacks. Dwayne Bowe can shred DBs & make things happen. I think he is going have a good year.
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Grades for the 1st string OL:

LT Eric Fisher: D. I thought Fisher looked good as I watched the game. Watching him specifically on each of his 11 snaps revealed the truth, however. Other than two or three snaps where Fisher legitimately dominated, he looked pretty terrible. I completely disagree with Trent Green on the strip-sack -- perhaps Smith held the ball too long, but Fisher was getting owned from the get go on that play. And that was a theme on too many pass plays -- I counted 3 -- where Fisher simply greeted the passrusher too high and got his shit pushed in. He blocked fairly well in the run game, but allowed Wallace Gilberry to ride him all the way to sideline to shut down a run by DAT. A truly lackluster performance in limited time.

LG Jeff Allen: D. I've never been a big fan of Jeff Allen ever since his rookie season, and that was only reinforced by this terrible performance. His runblocking was confused and average, his passblocking was confused and weak. Allen still struggles to anchor against bullrushes, something demonstrated on the strip-sack when Domata Peko, a 320 lbs DT that nobody on the Chiefs' OL had answers for, threw Allen into Smith's lap. Allen was consistently unable to make a play downfield on screens, and was consistently unable to move his guy up the gut.

C Rodney Hudson: C. Hudson's pass protection was pretty solid, but he faced zero passrushers and blitzes. His real test would be in the run game, where he would not only fail to make any noise, he would actually get blown up a couple times, such on the first 3rd down conversion of the game, where his DT rode him all the way into Jamaal, shutting down the play and forcing the Chiefs to punt.

RG Zach Fulton: B. I actually felt like Fulton looked like the 2nd best lineman out there. He was effective in passblocking, giving up zero pressures. What's most impressive is his get-up-and-go at the 2nd level. Zach Fulton is a fatass of a guard, but he can surprisingly get down field in a hurry. He didn't do much damage at the 2nd level this game, but it's clear he can get there, which is something that genuinely surprises me. He's also an effective run blocker -- he wasn't lining up against Geno Atkins, but he was able to reliably push his man all game and get some room for the RBs. He gets a bit confused with his blocking assignments, but that'll right itself soon.

RT Donald Stephenson: B+. Best lineman of the game for the Chiefs. It's a shame Fisher can't get his shit together right now, because he would give the Chiefs perhaps the most athletic tackle duo in the country. Whereas Fisher's extra weight seems to have slowed him down to slightly-above-average speed, Stephenson can flat-out book it. His work in the passing game was extremely good, with hardly anybody really challenging him (the only one who did was Robert Geathers, who came close to riding Stephenson into Smith, but Stephenson slowed them down). His work at the 2nd level was great, and he looked efficient getting push.

That said, all Chiefs starters really suck at chip blocking right now. I don't know what they've been teaching them, but 100% of their chip blocks were weak and ineffective. At one point, Fulton chip blocked so horribly he actually blocked Stephenson, freeing up both of their guys to pursue the ball.
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Alex Smith has been plagued with a shit OL and shit WR's his entire career. When is this guy going to catch a break and really shine?
I wonder why the ignorant haters never responded to these facts.

Shaun Hill was a 49er in 2009 started and played
5.5 games
87-155
943 yards
5 TD 2 INT
18 sacks

Alex Smith comes in the next
4.5 games
95-155
1035 yards
9 TD 7 INT
13 sacks

Now come 2010 Shaun Hill was on the Lions starts and finishes 9 games
he has passing totals of...
222 yards
227 yards
237 yards
258 yards
285 yards
289 yards
323 yards
331 yards
335 yards

257-416 passing and only 17 sacks

Sample size from 3 different QB total over 650 drop backs
Sack rate from 3.9-4.8%

So the O-line is probably good. And the crazy jump in passing from Hill. His pass catchers are probably good.
Those 2 things outside of the QBs control seem to matter. More than just a little too.
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I wonder why the ignorant haters never responded to these facts.

Shaun Hill was a 49er in 2009 started and played
5.5 games
87-155
943 yards
5 TD 2 INT
18 sacks

Alex Smith comes in the next
4.5 games
95-155
1035 yards
9 TD 7 INT
13 sacks

Now come 2010 Shaun Hill was on the Lions starts and finishes 9 games
he has passing totals of...
222 yards
227 yards
237 yards
258 yards
285 yards
289 yards
323 yards
331 yards
335 yards

257-416 passing and only 17 sacks

Sample size from 3 different QB total over 650 drop backs
Sack rate from 3.9-4.8%

So the O-line is probably good. And the crazy jump in passing from Hill. His pass catchers are probably good.
Those 2 things outside of the QBs control seem to matter. More than just a little too.
You must get worn out typing the same old tired shit year after year, after year, after year, after year...
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