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Old 09-21-2018, 07:12 AM  
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How Putin's Oligarchs Got Inside the Trump Team

Interesting article from Time Magazine.

Alternate title: How Putin's Puppet became the Traitor-In-Chief

It's a pretty long article, so I'll put most of it in spoiler tags.

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How Putin's Oligarchs Got Inside the Trump Team

The message from Moscow reached Paul Manafort at a crucial moment in the U.S. presidential race, just as he was about to secure the official Republican nomination for his client, Donald Trump. Manafort’s overture had been received, the July 2016 message informed him. And Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin, would be back in touch soon.

In the months before the 2016 elections, Manafort, then Trump’s campaign chairman, had tried repeatedly to reach out to Deripaska through intermediaries, according to emails revealed last year by the Washington Post and the Atlantic. The two men’s relationship went back a decade; Manafort had worked as a political consultant for Deripaska’s business interests in Eastern Europe in the mid-2000s.


The messages used coded language–apparent references to money, for instance, were sometimes rendered as “black caviar.” But the aim of the exchange seems clear. Manafort wanted to offer “private briefings” about the Trump campaign to one of Russia’s wealthiest men.

That offer has since come under the scrutiny of Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russia’s interference in the U.S. presidential race. His investigators want to know whether the Trump campaign had a secret back channel to the Kremlin, and Manafort has agreed to help them answer that question. As part of his guilty plea on Sept. 14 to charges stemming from the Mueller investigation, Manafort agreed to cooperate “fully, truthfully, completely, and forthrightly” with the special counsel.

Already Mueller’s probe has shown the range of assets Putin brought to bear on the 2016 campaign. Russian hackers stole and leaked the private emails of Trump’s opponents and worked to polarize and enrage voters by manipulating social media, according to evidence made public by Mueller. Russian diplomats wooed Trump’s advisers, who were eager for information that could hurt Hillary Clinton’s chances.

But it is oligarchs like Deripaska, wielding extraordinary wealth and global connections, who may have played the most important role in the Russian influence campaign. Putin himself has suggested as much. Onstage with Trump at a press conference in Helsinki on July 16, the Russian leader said he “can imagine” private Russian businessmen supported Trump’s bid for the presidency. “And so what?” Putin demanded. “They don’t represent the Russian state.”

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With reporting by Tessa Berenson and Massimo Calabresi/Washington

This appears in the October 01, 2018 issue of TIME.
Now that Manafort is squealing like a stuck pig and Cohen is singing like a canary, it's only a matter of time before Mueller presents a case so overwhelming that Trump will be forced to resign in disgrace.

Watergate was nothing compared to this.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:13 AM   #2
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:20 AM   #3
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Now that Manafort is squealing like a stuck pig and Cohen is singing like a canary, it's only a matter of time before Mueller presents a case so overwhelming that Trump will be forced to resign in disgrace.

Watergate was nothing compared to this.
I see nothing here that justifies any of what you wrote.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:20 AM   #4
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:31 AM   #5
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Now that Manafort is squealing like a stuck pig and Cohen is singing like a canary, it's only a matter of time before Mueller presents a case so overwhelming that Trump will be forced to resign in disgrace.

Watergate was nothing compared to this.










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Old 09-21-2018, 07:35 AM   #6
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Interesting article from Time Magazine.

Alternate title: How Putin's Puppet became the Traitor-In-Chief

It's a pretty long article, so I'll put most of it in spoiler tags.



Now that Manafort is squealing like a stuck pig and Cohen is singing like a canary, it's only a matter of time before Mueller presents a case so overwhelming that Trump will be forced to resign in disgrace.

Watergate was nothing compared to this.
Trump simply knows no such discgrace, and would rather see everything burn down around him, than to do so.

I recall during the presidential debates Trump being asked IF he would accept the results if he were not elected and thought it was an unusual question.

Now I understand.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:37 AM   #7
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I see nothing here that justifies any of what you wrote.
When noted TDS sufferer Donger thinks you've gone off the deep end, Jesus Christ you've really gone off the deep end. Damn.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:40 AM   #8
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When noted TDS sufferer Donger thinks you've gone off the deep end, Jesus Christ you've really gone off the deep end. Damn.
Actually there may be hope for Donger.....


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Old 09-21-2018, 09:18 AM   #9
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:40 AM   #10
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Russia narrative died months ago. Try to keep up.
Definitely.

Wait, no...from today.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8548461.html
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:57 AM   #11
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The same people who believe Brett Kavanaugh is an unhinged rapist on the loose are the ones who still believe that TrumpRussia is about to spring forth and sweep Hillary Clinton into the presidency any moment now.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:02 AM   #12
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The same people who believe Brett Kavanaugh is an unhinged rapist on the loose are the ones who still believe that TrumpRussia is about to spring forth and sweep Hillary Clinton into the presidency any moment now.
Why do you think anyone believes that if Trump is impeached and removed from office, that Clinton would assume the presidency?
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Why do you think anyone believes that if Trump is impeached and removed from office, that Clinton would assume the presidency?
He's referencing the fan fiction plotline Trump resigning or being impeached, followed by Pence's ascension to the presidency and subsequently resigning or being impeached which then places Ryan in the Oval Office with HRC being picked as VP and finally followed by Ryan's resignation thus allowing the 'rightful' winner of the 2016 election into office.

EDIT: or, if taking place in 2019, Pelosi replaces Ryan in the aforementioned scenario presuming a DNC majority in the House.
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He's referencing the fan fiction plotline Trump resigning or being impeached, followed by Pence's ascension to the presidency and subsequently resigning or being impeached which then places Ryan in the Oval Office with HRC being picked as VP and finally followed by Ryan's resignation thus allowing the 'rightful' winner of the 2016 election into office.

EDIT: or, if taking place in 2019, Pelosi replaces Ryan in the aforementioned scenario presuming a DNC majority in the House.
Yes. This idea was advanced by Professor Lawrence Lessig, and has taken on a life of its own.
If Ryan became President because the Trump/Pence campaign committed treason, who should he nominate as his Vice President? The answer seems unavoidable: He should nominate the person defeated by the treason of his own party, and then step aside, and let her become the President.
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I just have to put a warning. Just reading that sentence will immediately kill 100,000 brain cells. These people are stupid.

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