*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository

[duncan_idaho]

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

Spoiler!

Format: POS/Name/2017 Projected Final Level

1) 3B/OF Hunter Dozier, MLB. Dozier bounced back from a disastrous 2015 campaign that had many wondering, myself included, if he was wrecked. His strong offensive performance in 2016 saw Dozier recapture the mature approach that many liked coming up, while also starting to tap into his above-average raw power for the first time.

In addition to his success at the plate, Dozier also proved he could at least HANDLE an OF spot, which could put him in the conversation for 2017 playing time at the major leagues. If the Royals DO end up trading Cheslor Cuthbert, Dozier could find a decent amount of MLB playing time sliding between RF and 3B. With Moustakas recovering from knee surgery, he likely will need more regular breaks from the field. And the streaky Paulo Orlando is just not an intriguing short-side platoon partner for Jarrod Dyson.

2) LHP Matt Strahm, MLB. Strahm just barely skates under the rookie eligibility rules for a pitcher, so he can be included here. Royals fans already got a taste of the lefty’s abilities, as he used his above-average fastball and slurve to dominate out of the pen in 2016. For him to translate that dominance to the rotation, Strahm will need to maintain his velocity (92-94) and continue to improve a changeup that flashed average at times.

If the changeup becomes a weapon he can lean on against righties, Strahm could be a very solid mid-rotation starter and fringe ToR/No. 2 type (think Danny Duffy-lite).

3) RHP Josh Staumont, AAA. This one could blow up on me and look really silly by this time next year, but I’m encouraged by what we saw from Staumont late last year. He showed significantly improved control down the stretch for Northwest Arkansas, including some impressive playoff starts, while maintaining the big-time K ability. That trend continued in the Arizona Fall League.

If Staumont’s control holds, the Royals have a guy with a plus fastball, plus-plus curve, and average change (with a slider that could develop into a real weapon as he matures). He’ll start next season at AAA and could be an addition to the MLB bullpen or even the rotation before the season ends.

4) RF Jorge Bonifacio, AAA. Boni, like Dozier, had a bounceback season in 2016 with the bat, and also played 15-20 pounds lighter than the year before, which added some nice defensive utility according to reports I’ve gotten. He now looks like a guy could provide solid/average RF production in the major leagues… Average defense paired with potential to put up a .275/.335/.450 line. While that’s not all-star level, it IS playable. Especially at pre-arbitration dollars. He’ll get another year in Omaha to refine his approach, and likely be in the mix of a 2018 mini-youth movement… unless moved for MLB reinforcements.

5) C Meibrys Viloria, Low-A (Lexington). I haven’t seen him in person, but I like the pedigree. You’ve got a lefthanded hitting catcher with the defensive ability to stick behind the plate. He was a big-bonus guy out of Colombia (nearly $500k). And his offensive performance has been highly impressive early, with a good combination of power, plate discipline, and contact skills.

He’s forever away from the majors, just now clearing rookie ball, but Viloria is the most exciting prospect KC has had at Idaho Falls since someone on this board was gushing about a 16-year-old SS tearing it up.

6) 1B Ryan O’Hearn, AAA. O’Hearn is a guy who has never gotten a lot of hype from scouts, but he continues to be a strong producer. He’s someone who likely will strikeout about 25 percent of the time at the big-league level, but has the ability to be a .500+ SLG guy. That plays. He also has shown good patience at the plate, posting above-average OBPs at every level.

Bold prediction: I won’t be shocked if O’Hearn takes over at 1B for KC in 2018/2019 and provides similar offensive production to Hosmer out of the gate. He’s probably never going to be a consistent plus average (.290+) hitter, but .270 with 25 HR is something within reach for him. He’ll get his first shot at AAA in 2017.

7) RHP AJ Puckett, A+. Puckett is a high floor, low-ceiling guy who performed about as you’d expect in 2016 after being the Royals’ first pick in the 2016 Rule IV Draft. He’s not flashy, but Puckett does profile as a solid potential back-end starter. Good fastball command and an above-average changeup are his calling cards. If Puckett finds a reliable breaking ball to put batters away, this could tick up. Great athlete, very similar to Jake Odorizzi in that regard.

8) RF Khalil Lee, Low-A (Lexington). Lee was a two-way player in HS and many viewed him as a pitcher first as a pro, but the Royals drafted him as an OF and were reward with a strong debut campaign. Lee is not a big guy, but he produced solid power numbers despite that. He’s a dynamic athlete who could contribute with power and speed.

9) C Chase Vallot, High-A (Wilmington). Vallot has an intriguing bat, with plus raw power. Got off to a great start in 16 before being sidelined and then sidetracked by injury. RH bat may be good enough to push him out from behind the plate, where he has good tools but a long way to go.

10) RHP Jake Junis and RHP Alec Mills (AAA). I'm copping out here and including both at No. 10 because they're so similar. Like Puckett, they each project as a serviceable back of rotation starter. Similar stuff and profiles, though Junis has shown a little better strikeout ability and may have a smidge more upside as a result.

Others of note:

SS/CF Marten Gasparini. Production has been bad for this toolsy player, but Gasparini has speed and pop that jump out at you. At only 19, need to be patient with him... this European signee was even less polished when signing at 16 than the typical Latin America prospect.

OF Seuly Matias. Loud, loud tools. Matias profiles as a classic RF... big-time power potential. He's a long ways from the majors but is one of the Royals' biggest bonus babies from LA.

RHP Ashe Russell. 2014 1st rounder saw his velocity disappear last year and was quickly shut down. He's intriguing one way or the other, even if he ends up as another notch in the belt of the TINSTAAPP saying.

2B Corey Toups. O'Hearn's HS teammate has been an above-average producer for an up-the-middle player. His small stature hides a surprising amount of pop. Could turn into a Mark Grudzielanek type of offensive second baseman at his peak - solid average, lots of 2Bs.

RHP Scott Blewett, LHP Foster Griffin, RHP Nolan Watson - all three have underwhelmed as pros but were drafted in the supplemental round. Stuff and projectability for each is a positive. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of them take a Cody Reed-like step forward this season and crack the 50-75 range on prospect lists. They all have the natural ability.

SS/2B Ricky Aracena - Jose Altuve-sized Aracena is a switch hitting middle infielder who can flat out run. Switch hitter with a good approach.

RHP Pedro Fernandez - I'm still a believer in his stuff, even if he is destined for the pen. Was having a nice 2016 start until injuries derailed him right after his promotion to AA.

Sirs not Appearing in this Prospect List:

RHP Kyle Zimmer. Same story, different year. The Royals are hopeful they FINALLY found the cause of Zimmer's achy shoulder. If they really did, and he can stay healthy, the talent/potential is exciting.

OF Bubba Starling. Never trust a guy named Derek.

[Prison Bitch]

What do we make of Cuthbert's bat? He was quite young, 23, and not many rookies at 23 get 500+ PA. In fact, only 65 have since the 1969 divisional setup. Of those (wRC+):


40. Cuthbert 94
49. Febles 87
50. Gordon 87
61. Alshittys 62


The other 3 had really good defense/speed metrics tho which made them more valuable. While most of the 65 players on this list ended up being regulars for quite some time, most below Cuthbert didn't end up becoming good hitters. In fact they were mostly awful, but many (Ozzie Smith, Wilie Tavares, Billy Hamilton etc) had other skills that not only brought them up - but kept them up. Cuthbert doesn't.


The top 6? Fred Lynn, McGwire, Dusty Baker, Alvin Davis, Bagwell, Kris Bryant, so the point here seems pretty obv

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

What do we make of Cuthbert's bat? He was quite young, 23, and not many rookies at 23 get 500+ PA. In fact, only 65 have since the 1969 divisional setup. Of those (wRC+):


40. Cuthbert 94
49. Febles 87
50. Gordon 87
61. Alshittys 62


The other 3 had really good defense/speed metrics tho which made them more valuable. While most of the 65 players on this list ended up being regulars for quite some time, most below Cuthbert didn't end up becoming good hitters. In fact they were mostly awful, but many (Ozzie Smith, Wilie Tavares, Billy Hamilton etc) had other skills that not only brought them up - but kept them up. Cuthbert doesn't.

Meh, he was pretty great at the beginning but hit a wall over his last two months. It happens for rooks. We'll see how he holds up this year.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic

It's a pretty big leap to call a guy a "clubhouse cancer" just because you don't like the team that offered him $33 million to go play for.

I'm a big fan of Kendrys Morales, but at his age and with the makeup of the Royals team next year, I think it makes perfect sense to let him go. The Royals will have a logjam at third base next year with Moose, Cuthbert and possibly Hunter Dozier, so letting one or two of those guys log some games at DH doesn't sound like a bad idea. I also like the idea of Salvy getting some rest by DH'ing once or twice a week.

I hope Kendrys Morales does well as an individual player for the Blue Jays, just as I hope those ****ers lose 120 games next year.

Sarcasm meter you guys.


It's all about **** the Blue Jays and all things Canadian.

[Jerm]

Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol

Reyes/Weaver, Wong, and something else would be a start.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol

Garcia is a piece that makes sense for Cain, but he would have to be a secondary piece.

Matt Adams? No ****ing thank you. Mozeliak ****ed up by not moving Adams when his value was artificially high a few years back. KC isn't going to bail him out.


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[Jerm]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Garcia is a piece that makes sense for Cain, but he would have to be a secondary piece.

Matt Adams? No ****ing thank you. Mozeliak ****ed up by not moving Adams when his value was artificially high a few years back. KC isn't going to bail him out.


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Exactly....would you do Garcia and Wong?

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by seaofred

I think the plan might be to have Cutberth and Moose rotate at DH next year.

So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.
Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Exactly....would you do Garcia and Wong?

No. I have never been that high on Wong and still am not.

Neither one of those guys is enough of a return for Cain as the primary piece, and they're not enough combined, either.




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[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol

Can you link that?


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[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol

Gonna need DJ to chime in on this one.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.
Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.

Then you're pretty much committed to only having 8 decent batters... and that's counting Alcides as a decent battery.


The fact nobody uses a 3+ DH platoon means that's its a terrible idea.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.

Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.

I think it would mean Cuthbert is the DH 100-110 games, with him getting 30-35 starts at 3B to rest Moustakas, Moustakas getting 20-25 games at DH, and the rest of the DH days being used to give Gordon and Cain a 1/2 day off each week.

That rotating DH plan works a little better if you have a super util guy who's a credible bat. Steve Pearce is not likely to break the bank but could make sense there. Could get 140 games parceled out amongst 1b, 2B, 3b, LF and rf


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[WhawhaWhat]

Charlie Morton gets $14M, 2 yrs plus incentives with astros. 1st evidence of nuttiness of SP market. Insane!

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) November 16, 2016

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Can you link that?


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http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/...f=11&t=1197956

It's discussed throughout this thread....