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Old 08-07-2018, 12:19 PM  
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Manafort Judge to Prosecutor: ‘There’s Tears in Your Eyes’

Tensions at the Paul Manafort fraud trial grew so heated Monday that the judge suggested that one of Robert Mueller’s prosecutors was crying during a discussion out of the jury’s earshot, according to a transcript of the proceedings.

“I understand how frustrated you are,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said during the discussion. “In fact, there’s tears in your eyes right now.’’

When Prosecutor Greg Andres protested that he didn’t have tears in his eyes, the judge shot back: “Well, they’re watery.”

The exchange came during testimony by Manafort’s former right-hand man, Rick Gates, who offered dramatic details about how he stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from his boss while helping him hide offshore accounts from U.S. tax authorities and defraud bankers to secure loans.

Mueller’s team has clashed repeatedly with Ellis, who questions the relevance of detailed evidence about Manafort’s work as a political consultant in Ukraine, where prosecutors say he made more than $60 million from 2010 to 2014. Some of those confrontations continued in bench conferences that jurors and dozens of media members couldn’t hear in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia.

Andres complained that Ellis was blocking him from asking important questions while placing an emphasis on moving quickly at the bank- and tax-fraud trial of Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman. Ellis disagreed, saying he wasn’t emphasizing speed over substance. The judge continued that delay is unnecessary, and prosecutors should stick to the relevant evidence.

What follows is taken from the transcript:

“Look at me when you’re talking to me,’’ Ellis said to Andres.

“I’m sorry, judge, I was,’’ Andres said.

“No, you weren’t,’’ Ellis said. “You were looking down.’’

“Because I don’t want to get in trouble for some facial expression,’’ the prosecutor said. “I don’t want to get yelled at again by the court for having some facial expression when I’m not doing anything wrong, but trying my case.’’

Ellis said to another prosecutor: “You must be quiet.’’

“I’m sorry, judge,’’ Andres said.

“Well, I understand how frustrated you are. In fact, there’s tears in your eyes right now.’’

“There are not tears in my eyes, Judge,’’ Andres said.

“Well, they’re watery,’’ Ellis said. “Look, I want you to focus sharply on what you need to prove -- to prove the crime. And I don’t understand what a lot of these questions have to do with it.’

The lawyers then returned to open court, and further sniping ensued after jurors left for the day. At the end of the day, Andres apologized to the judge, saying he didn’t mean to be disrespectful. The judge seemed to offer an olive branch.

“Don’t worry about it,’’ said Ellis, a 31-year veteran of the bench. “I’m not concerned about that at all. I remember trying cases.’’

Ellis said he had cases that were important to him and his career.

“I remember the stress and I remember the pressure,’’ he said. “This is a stressful time. So I understand that. But I’m trying to minimize the stress time is all I’m trying to do. And I think we can do it. I don’t think this case is as complex as it could be made to be.’’

Gates returns to the witness stand on Tuesday morning.




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Old 08-07-2018, 12:23 PM   #2
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:32 PM   #3
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Judge apparently hates the prosecutors. 78 year old crotchety judge. At first he challenged Mueller's authority to bring the proceedings -- setting off a firestorm -- and then he decided Mueller did have the authority. Way to try to undermine the proceedings in your own courtroom. Whatever.

Manafort is still getting buried with the evidence, it seems.
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Judge apparently hates the prosecutors. 78 year old crotchety judge. At first he challenged Mueller's authority to bring the proceedings -- setting off a firestorm -- and then he decided Mueller did have the authority. Way to try to undermine the proceedings in your own courtroom. Whatever.

Manafort is still getting buried with the evidence, it seems.
Why are you wasting time following this?
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I'm guessing the left will feel vindicated for some reason if Manafort gets convicted. Not really sure why, but that's the only reason I can see to follow this: if you're a leftist clutching for something, anything.
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I'm guessing the left will feel vindicated for some reason if Manafort gets convicted. Not really sure why, but that's the only reason I can see to follow this: if you're a leftist clutching for something, anything.
Isn't this all part of Trump's plan to expose Hillary and have her arrested?

I think it's pretty clear why YOU should be watching it. To watch Trump's master plan flesh out obviously.
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Isn't this all part of Trump's plan to expose Hillary and have her arrested?

I think it's pretty clear why YOU should be watching it. To watch Trump's master plan flesh out obviously.
Is that going to be your recurring theme today until someone engages you?
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I'm guessing the left will feel vindicated for some reason if Manafort gets convicted. Not really sure why, but that's the only reason I can see to follow this: if you're a leftist clutching for something, anything.

I don't see why anyone would feel "vindicated".

I don't see how it's completely uninteresting to learn that the former campaign chairman of the current POTUS committed apparently extensive tax fraud. Surely if it was Obama's former campaign chair you'd be all over it, and accusing him of running a child sex slave ring to boot!
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I don't see why anyone would feel "vindicated".

I don't see how it's completely uninteresting to learn that the former campaign chairman of the current POTUS committed apparently extensive tax fraud. Surely if it was Obama's former campaign chair you'd be all over it, and accusing him of running a child sex slave ring to boot!
How many of the folks in Obama's administration were not paying taxes when they were hired?

It's not apples to apples, but it's certainly not apples and oranges either.
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Is that going to be your recurring theme today until someone engages you?
I get far more satisfaction when they don't bite. I know they read it. Would you like to comment on my post?
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Judge apparently hates the prosecutors. 78 year old crotchety judge. At first he challenged Mueller's authority to bring the proceedings -- setting off a firestorm -- and then he decided Mueller did have the authority. Way to try to undermine the proceedings in your own courtroom. Whatever.

Manafort is still getting buried with the evidence, it seems.
I'll yield a bit to your experience as an attorney but I don't necessarily agree with your account on this.

He didn't "challenge Mueller's authority". He merely pointed out what Mueller's motive truly is.

I don't believe he hates the prosecution, either. I think he is not allowing them to make a political mockery of his courtroom and forcing the prosecution to stay on task and dispense with the theater.

I don't think Manafort is innocent and I don't know anyone who does. I think the Judge though has shown this case to be what it really is and not what Mueller wants it to be, if that's the argument to be made.
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I'm guessing the left will feel vindicated for some reason if Manafort gets convicted. Not really sure why, but that's the only reason I can see to follow this: if you're a leftist clutching for something, anything.
You're not sure why it might be important that the president's former campaign manager and deputy campaign manager/inaugural committee deputy chair are guilty of felonies?

You serious Clark?
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You're not sure why it might be important that the president's former campaign manager and deputy campaign manager/inaugural committee deputy chair are guilty of felonies?

You serious Clark?
Explain it to us....
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You're not sure why it might be important that the president's former campaign manager and deputy campaign manager/inaugural committee deputy chair are guilty of felonies?

You serious Clark?
He also didn't find it important that one of Trump's campaign chairs was found guilty of sex trafficking even though said subject makes him cry because he so passionately cares about the children.

So yeah, he's a disingenuous piece of shit at best.

This case is part of Trump's master plan to bring justice to Hillary Clinton (Qanon)...so i do find it odd of course that he has no interest in one of Trump's biggest chess pieces.
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