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Old 07-19-2018, 05:37 PM  
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TEDx Speaker: Pedophilia Is A Natural Sexual Orientation

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TEDx Speaker: Pedophilia Is An Unchangeable Orientation


Controversy erupted recently over a TEDx talk featuring a German medical student who exclaimed that "pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation, just like … heterosexuality."

The student, Mirjam Heine, gave the talk at the University of Würtzberg in Germany this past May under the title "Why our perception of pedophilia has to change." During her talk, Heine said that people need to recognize that pedophilia is a natural force.

"Anyone could be born a pedophile," she told the audience, citing it as just an "unchangeable sexual orientation just like, for example, heterosexuality."

Heine then goes on to differentiate between pedophilia — the sexual attraction to children — and child molestation, which she said should never be accepted.

"The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster," she said.

Quite strangely, the student then cites "studies" showing that 20 to 30% of all child molesters are pedophiles.

On the sheer insanity of this, LifeSiteNews has more:

At times Heine’s ideas were confused. She said heterosexuality and pedophilia were both orientations, while saying pedophilia can be "heterosexual," "homosexual," and "bi-sexual." She intimated that a non-pedophile could sexually abuse a child, but also included within her definition of pedophiles people attracted, to a lesser extent, to adults. And although she seems to think people are “born” pedophiles, she also said pedophilia has biological, social, and psychological factors.

For Heine, pedophilia is not something that someone actually does but something that someone would like to do, as a sexual preference that they would "live out freely," if only it weren’t contrary to leading "an upright life."

Heine then goes on to turn sexual molestation into a societal problem by blaming it on the social isolation of pedophiles by making them fearful to express their inclinations.

"For example, they can’t tell their children they can’t go to the beach because children in swimsuits may be there as well," Heine said. "They can never be completely frank with someone else."

"We shouldn’t increase the sufferings of pedophiles by excluding them, by blaming and mocking them," Heine said. "By doing that, WE increase their isolation and WE increase the chance of child sexual abuse.”

"Just like pedophiles, we are not responsible for our feelings. We do not choose them. .. but it is our responsibility to ... overcome our negative feelings about pedophiles and to treat them with the same respect we treat other people with."

Though Heine acknowledges the evil in sexual molestation, she poses a dangerous idea here regarding the "acceptance" of pedophilia as a natural, unchangeable orientation. First off, if pedophilia were indeed "natural," it makes no sense to condemn the expression of it as wrong so long as the two parties are consenting. Once the inclination becomes accepted as "normal," we're only decades away from man-boy, man-girl and vice-versa relationships from storming the public square demanding their civil right to "love" each other.

But that's a side issue.

What's really insidious about her idea is that it would discourage actual pedophiles from seeking much-needed psychiatric treatment. The bottom line: pedophiles have a twisted sexual disorder of which they must be cured. There should be no acceptance of it. Sure, compassion must always be shown toward those who wish to improve their psychiatric state, especially when many of those people are victims of pedophiles themselves, but there should be no conflation between compassion and acceptance.

Following the video's posting to YouTube, Heine's talk faced immense backlash, forcing the organizers of TEDx to remove the video and issued an apologetic statement.

"After reviewing the talk, we believe it cites research in ways that are open to serious misinterpretation. This led some viewers to interpret the talk as an argument in favor of an illegal and harmful practice," they wrote. "Furthermore, after contacting the organizer to understand why it had been taken down, we learned that the speaker herself requested it be removed from the internet because she had serious concerns about her own safety in its wake."

"Our policy is and always has been to remove speakers’ talks when they request we do so. That is why we support this TEDx organizer’s decision to respect this speaker’s wishes and keep the talk offline."



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Old 07-20-2018, 06:56 AM   #31
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Then you have misunderstood my comments as I haven't defended anything. But you keep doing you. Enjoy your manufactured conflict.
I find that you consider this alarmist, troubling. That's my opinion not manufactured conflict ( your opinion), which I have a right to post. You keep doing you, as well.
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Old 07-20-2018, 04:06 PM   #32
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...I do think the intent is to normalize pedophilia ( and other sexual practices) by sexualizing of human children at earlier and earlier ages.
Girls swimsuits/clothing has generally been getting more and more sexualized at earlier and earlier ages for a while now.

I don't see that pedophiles have anything to do with that. Unless most of the fashion designers creating the clothing and the parents buying the clothing are pedophiles. Or they are just creating it buying it for the benefit of pedophiles. I guess that could be the case. I know how much parents want to help pedophiles out.
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Old 07-20-2018, 04:28 PM   #33
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Girls swimsuits/clothing has generally been getting more and more sexualized at earlier and earlier ages for a while now.

I don't see that pedophiles have anything to do with that.

I have no idea how you get any link from pedophilia to saying this.

My point was younger and younger children having to deal with sexual issues in general—pedophilia is just another on the list. Others are transgenderism, homosexuality and children's books covering them in children's books even for toddlers to being forced to discuss them in school. Now we have kids as young as 9 or 10 wanting sex change surgery.

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Unless most of the fashion designers creating the clothing and the parents buying the clothing are pedophiles. Or they are just creating it buying it for the benefit of pedophiles. I guess that could be the case. I know how much parents want to help pedophiles out.
Just a really illogical and stupid point.
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:15 AM   #34
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:18 AM   #35
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A distinction without a difference here. If it's natural for them, isn't it unchangeable? I would think so.
I think distinction is that something "unchangeable" could be due to early trauma or behavior imprinting. That is something that isn't "natural" but could be "unchangeable" once it occurs.
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:21 AM   #36
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Yeah, it's natural. That doesn't mean we shouldn't chop their balls off.

Murderous rage is natural. Rape is natural. Theft is natural. However, we are higher beings (supposedly) and we must control our emotions and urges as to not infringe upon the liberty of others.

Of course, this can be learned behavior as well.
Sociopathy, psychopathy are inherent or natural to sociopaths and psychopaths and if one is raised in an environment by them they learn it. Just look at feral children,. Iirc from some reading, some of these sociopaths or psychopaths had those behaviors inflicted on them. So these behaviors spread.

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Old 07-21-2018, 08:22 AM   #37
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I think distinction is that something "unchangeable" could be due to early trauma or behavior imprinting. That is something that isn't "natural" but could be "unchangeable" once it occurs.
What explains people being born a certain way? This is the claim about homosexuals. NTTAWWT

Is there any native personality or inclination natively to certain behaviors? Just wonderin'? Why are some able to resist taking drugs while others aren't, even in families that don't use recreational drugs or minimal prescription drugs.
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:23 AM   #38
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but could be "unchangeable" once it occurs.
why?
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:43 AM   #39
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why?
Well, the imprinting model comes from animal behavior.

There are certain complex behaviors that aren't hard wired into the genes but require exposure to the behavior during a developmental "critical period".

The classic example is birdsong.

Mature songbirds in the wild will seek mates with a specific "song" that other members of their species can identify. That's how they "find" one another.

However, if you take a bird away from its parents and raise it in the lab, it won't sing that mature birdsong typical of it's species. It will tend to "sing" but it will be this weird warble that animal behavior scientists call an "isolate song". Other members of its species in the wild won't identify this individual as one of their group.

The young bird will have to be exposed to the mature birdsong at a particular time during it's development, or it will never sing the right song.

Thus, birdsong is thought of as sort of a behavior that has both a built in genetic component (an urge to "sing"), and a partially learned behavior (exposure to the correct birdsong). Plus that exposure has to come at a time that the bird is still "impressionable".

Once that "critical period" passes, it doesn't change its behavior.
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Well, that explains my recent fascination, reading and video-watching on feral children.

As well, as following that wolf guy, whereby he gets befriended by them in the wild, hang, play and even feed him. Simply fascinating.
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Well, the imprinting model comes from animal behavior.

There are certain complex behaviors that aren't hard wired into the genes but require exposure to the behavior during a developmental "critical period".

The classic example is birdsong.

Mature songbirds in the wild will seek mates with a specific "song" that other members of their species can identify. That's how they "find" one another.

However, if you take a bird away from its parents and raise it in the lab, it won't sing that mature birdsong typical of it's species. It will tend to "sing" but it will be this weird warble that animal behavior scientists call an "isolate song". Other members of its species in the wild won't identify this individual as one of their group.

The young bird will have to be exposed to the mature birdsong at a particular time during it's development, or it will never sing the right song.

Thus, birdsong is thought of as sort of a behavior that has both a built in genetic component (an urge to "sing"), and a partially learned behavior (exposure to the correct birdsong). Plus that exposure has to come at a time that the bird is still "impressionable".

Once that "critical period" passes, it doesn't change its behavior.
ok, in other words, once out of the natural habitat, is what causes the change to occur.

makes sense for birds, but humans? conscience and all...
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:07 AM   #42
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ok, in other words, once out of the natural habitat, is what causes the change to occur.

makes sense for birds, but humans? conscience and all...
Yeah. That's why it's a "model". As far as I know, (and I studied this in grad school but it isn't what I currently do), we don't really understand human sexuality.

Some think there is an "imprinting" element. Some think sexual orientation is more "hard wired" (determined by genes).

Thing is, western culture tends to think of sexuality as a sort of "either or" thing where you are either attracted to men, women, or in the case of pedophiles, children.

The Greeks, for example, saw nothing strange about a man having sex with both women and young boys.

In my humble opinion, I think there are probably multiple reasons why different individual might express various sexual behaviors. For some it's more genetically hardwired. For others, its more about a combination of genes and life experiences.

Take homosexuality for example. One thing a lot of people forget is that if you look at prison populations, you will have many people who will engage in homosexual behaviors in prison but will be completely heterosexual outside of prison.

Obviously, for some of these individuals they'd rather "get some" than "do without". With prison populations, especially male prisons, I think some of the homosexuality is a dominance behavior more than it's about sexual attraction.

Now, what happens if say, an individual experiences an early life trauma. For example, what if a young girl gets raped or sexually abused by a family member as a child. This person then might fear men and thus only feel "safe" with a female partner.

What happens if a young person hits early puberty, and is so unpopular with their peers that they're psychologically abused in their early attempts to act on their sexual feelings. Thus, their early "imprinting" is that the opposite sex is unavailable to them. Could then this person then express homosexual feelings later in life?

BTW, this is all behavior theory. It's not fact.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:35 AM   #43
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What explains people being born a certain way? This is the claim about homosexuals. NTTAWWT

Is there any native personality or inclination natively to certain behaviors? Just wonderin'? Why are some able to resist taking drugs while others aren't, even in families that don't use recreational drugs or minimal prescription drugs.
This is a complex question that cuts to genetics as well as developmental issues.

When I was a biology grad student, I was interested in sociobiology, which is trying to apply Darwinian theory to human behavior. This field was later imported by psychologists, and they call it "evolutionary psychology".

In particular, I saw both warfare, and alternative sexualities as behaviors that didn't help an organism get their genes into the next generation. So I thought these persistent behaviors needed to be explained to understand human behaviors in Darwinian terms.

Behaviorist scientists will talk about "hard wired" behaviors that are pretty much determined by the genes. When you have a "genetic inclination", it's more that the organism is "more likely" display a certain behavior, but it's not "determined" by the genes.

You can think of an "inclination" like this: suppose Joe has taste buds that find coffee to be a pleasant flavor. This doesn't mean that Joe will guzzle coffee. Joe might have grown up in a society where coffee drinking is rare. Joe might belong to a church that says drinking coffee estranges you from God. As a young man, Joe's friends might have thought coffee drinkers were total losers, ect.

However, Joe is much more LIKELY to be a person that guzzles coffee than someone that lacks taste bud genetics that find the flavor of coffee pleasant. Genetic inclinations can be overridden by cognitive choice. Hard wired behaviors, not so much.

To what extent are sexual behaviors "hard wired" vs. "inclinations"? That's what all the shooting is about.
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