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Old 04-19-2018, 06:33 PM  
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DOJ has received Comey memos....

Crossing the wires......

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Old 04-20-2018, 07:33 AM   #76
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The pressure that the Russia investigation was putting on him was the pressure of the public thinking he was an investigation target and an FBI director who refused to make it public that he wasn't. Yes, pathetically weak, given that the President had ample reason and authority to can Comey and given the content of the Comey memos, which were supposedly key to Rosenstein's decision to name a SC.

He didn't try to fire Mueller.
Comey has explained why he didn't publicly announce that Trump wasn't a target on many occasions. Have you not been paying attention?

His reasons for firing Comey were based on an investigation into his inner circle that could very well lead back to him. It's hard to imagine a more blatant example of obstructing justice than what Trump did.

And yes, he did try to fire Mueller. And you'll probably defend him if he ever does, so why even pretend that you care if he did or not?
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:33 AM   #77
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Well there goes obstruction. Collusion gone.

Can they impeach on unpaid parking tickets?
Are you being serious here?
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:39 AM   #78
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I probably wouldn't have rushed to judgment like you would have, but that was before my time.

Where do you stand on the emerging Obama administration scandal that threatens to dwarf Watergate as far as scandals are concerned? I assume that you're still in the "Obama's administration was scandal-free" cult of personality.
The GOP has all the levers of power and even they can't drum up enough support to launch an investigation into whatever nonsense you're on about. That should tell you something.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:43 AM   #79
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The memos also show former Director Comey never wrote that he felt obstructed or threatened. While former Director Comey went to great lengths to set dining room scenes, discuss height requirements, describe the multiple times he felt complimented, and myriad other extraneous facts, he never once mentioned the most relevant fact of all, which was whether he felt obstructed in his investigation.

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Former Director Comey’s memos show the President made clear he wanted allegations of collusion, coordination, and conspiracy between his campaign and Russia fully investigated. The memos also made clear the ‘cloud’ President Trump wanted lifted was not the Russian interference in the 2016 election cloud, rather it was the salacious, unsubstantiated allegations related to personal conduct leveled in the dossier.
Yup.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:47 AM   #80
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Yup.
"And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won"
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:48 AM   #81
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Pathetically weak case for obstruction, lol. Dude admitted that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation on national TV, tried to influence a criminal investigation into Flynn, and then tried to fire Mueller before his counsel threatened to resign.

Nixon had plenty of supporters before he resigned, too. Is there any doubt that you and the rest of the gang would have been among them?
Oaklandhater.. Ive done what they say couldn't be done. I've found someone dumber than you.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:51 AM   #82
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Oaklandhater.. Ive done what they say couldn't be done. I've found someone dumber than you.
Can you take your autistic ass to another thread and let the adults talk?
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:53 AM   #83
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Oaklandhater.. Ive done what they say couldn't be done. I've found someone dumber than you.
There aren't too many smart liberals because smart people don't think that way.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:59 AM   #84
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There aren't too many smart liberals because smart people don't think that way.
Liberals dominate pretty much every facet of modern society. That sorta blows a hole in that theory, huh?
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:01 AM   #85
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Yup.
Aren't you fellas forgetting about something?
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:02 AM   #86
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Comey has explained why he didn't publicly announce that Trump wasn't a target on many occasions. Have you not been paying attention?
Yes, I've been paying attention. That's why I know it's not really relevant. What's relevant is Trump's state of mind, not whether or not Comey had a decent rationalization for his actions.

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His reasons for firing Comey were based on an investigation into his inner circle that could very well lead back to him. It's hard to imagine a more blatant example of obstructing justice than what Trump did.
You're having fever dreams. And since your imagination seems to be more than adequate based on your unsupported beliefs about Trump's reasons, I can only conclude that you don't understand obstruction very well. Let me help you. A target of a criminal investigation threatening a witness if he testifies is easily more blatant than a person who potentially has both legitimate and illegitimate reasons to exercise his authority to fire a poorly performing underling.

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And yes, he did try to fire Mueller. And you'll probably defend him if he ever does, so why even pretend that you care if he did or not?
If he had tried, Mueller would be fired. So, no. I certainly won't be calling for impeachment if he fires Mueller, if that's what you're suggesting. I don't think he should though because it would damage Republicans politically in the midterms and because I don't think Mueller has anything on Trump related to collusion or obstruction.
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Are you being serious here?
Since we obviously don't know everything Mueller knows, it's hard to say these things are definitively gone, but almost everything that we learn that directly relates to those allegations, particularly what we learn from these memos, makes their likelihood more and more remote.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:06 AM   #88
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The GOP has all the levers of power and even they can't drum up enough support to launch an investigation into whatever nonsense you're on about. That should tell you something.
The investigations are ongoing. Have you not been paying attention?
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"And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won"
If he really believes it was a made up story and fired Comey because he was chasing geece, that wouldn't be obstruction either.
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The investigations are ongoing. Have you not been paying attention?
They also have to negotiate the fragility of the left before any hammers can drop, some of which must simply be a function of time.
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