Chiefs As a QB prospect coming out of college, Geno Smith is greater than...?

**RealSNR** · 04-11-2013, 10:46 PM

Poll forthcoming.

Remember, we're talking about these players as prospects. I don't care what has happened to Jay Cutler or Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers. If you think those QBs had more to work with as potential pros, then check them off.

Exoter175 · 04-11-2013, 10:49 PM

Damon Huard.

What do I win?

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-11-2013, 10:52 PM

Now among the HOFers at the start of their career I'd say Brett Favre. The guy was a turnover machine in his early years.

Beeker · 04-11-2013, 10:52 PM

Todd Marinovich
John Skelton
JaWalrus Russell
Ryan Leaf
Matt Leinart
Brady Quinn
Tyler Thigpen
Todd Blackledge
All the McCown's and McNown's
Charlie Whitehurst
Bubby Brister
Stan Humphries
Brandon Wheedon

**RealSNR** · 04-11-2013, 10:59 PM

Also, I would like to dedicate this thread to scho63.

There may be more on the way in the next weeks

KC native · 04-11-2013, 11:21 PM

GENO IS TEH GOAT PROSPECT EVAR

Consistent1 · 04-11-2013, 11:28 PM

KC Native made some good selections, jesus.

KC native · 04-11-2013, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1

KC Native made some good selections, jesus.

rico · 04-12-2013, 02:03 AM

One thing that I think will get overlooked in this poll is Matt Ryan. Coming out of college, my God that dude had some question marks that were consistently giving birth to baby question marks, imo. My goodness he threw a lot of INTs his Senior season. If you were to evaluate and compare the two, by looking exclusively at stats, I don't know how Geno (and many other of these other guys) couldn't be regarded as a better prospect. And I know, I know...we aren't supposed to make our choices in this poll due to just stats. Just saying, statistically speaking, Matt was shaky as hell and Geno is not given near the credit he deserves considering the numbers he put up and some of the games in which he put up those numbers, including his historic comp/attempts statline vs. LSU's notoriously tough defense in '11, vs. Clemson in the Orange Bowl '11, Baylor's shitty defense, but amazing stats nevertheless in '12, etc.)

To be honest, I thought the Falcons were smart to take a chance and attempt to get their guy and were obviously smart in doing so, for things haven't worked out too badly for the Ryan-led Falcons so far, but at the time, I didn't think the chances of him succeeding were very high, let alone succeeding as early as he did.

I am always hearing from people that Geno never faced legit defenses, which I think is hog-wash. Whenever I hear this claim, I immediately wonder who they are comparing him to and why the defenses he faced are being critiqued so harshly... Geno, from the time he was a Sophomore, consistently put up stats that range from similar to superior than the stats of RG3 and Luck. Was the competition that RG3 and Luck faced THAT much tougher than the competition RG3 and Luck faced in their college careers? Honest question, I don't know.

I also frequently hear from people that Geno's success was the result of the WV system and his offensive supporting cast. But when compared to Luck and RG3, did he really have THAT much better of a supporting cast than them? Luck had Decastro on his line...many people thought (and may still think) prior to his injury last season that Decastro was a "sure thing" to be a productive OL for many seasons. And RG3 was throwing to Kendall Wright, who was a first round pick himself, who I happen to believe is the real deal. He saved RG3's ass on multiple occasions at Baylor with some of his acrobatic catches on balls that appeared to be over-thrown.

Call me crazy, but I honestly almost chose RG3 as one who Geno is superior to in terms of being a prospect entering the draft, for RG3's injury risks seemed to be glaring to me with him being injured in 2009 and 2010. And it appears that these injury concerns regarding him are actually pretty legit considering the serious injury he sustained this season. Yeah, yeah, I am aware of RG3's potential/talent when not injured, his popularity, his intelligence off the field, etc., but for the long haul, I think Geno is a guy who can make his team a perennial contender and RG3 can obviously accomplish some things himself, but I think he is much more inclined to have a shortened career when compared to Geno.

How can this guy NOT be considered a potential elite QB prospect? Fo' realzies, I don get da hate/lack of cred.

PA Chiefs · 04-12-2013, 04:44 AM

What separates him from the top guys is he a plug and play guy, or does he need to sit a year. Some of those guys on the list maybe would of lived out their potential if they could have sat for a year or even two. But he is not as heralded as a lot of guys on this list. Whether he has a better career or not will be decided at a latter time. But just as what hype he has gotten I would say he is middle to bottom quarter on this list.

**MahiMike** · 04-12-2013, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rico

One thing that I think will get overlooked in this poll is Matt Ryan. Coming out of college, my God that dude had some question marks that were consistently giving birth to baby question marks, imo. My goodness he threw a lot of INTs his Senior season. If you were to evaluate and compare the two, by looking exclusively at stats, I don't know how Geno (and many other of these other guys) couldn't be regarded as a better prospect. And I know, I know...we aren't supposed to make our choices in this poll due to just stats. Just saying, statistically speaking, Matt was shaky as hell and Geno is not given near the credit he deserves considering the numbers he put up and some of the games in which he put up those numbers, including his historic comp/attempts statline vs. LSU's notoriously tough defense in '11, vs. Clemson in the Orange Bowl '11, Baylor's shitty defense, but amazing stats nevertheless in '12, etc.)

To be honest, I thought the Falcons were smart to take a chance and attempt to get their guy and were obviously smart in doing so, for things haven't worked out too badly for the Ryan-led Falcons so far, but at the time, I didn't think the chances of him succeeding were very high, let alone succeeding as early as he did.

I am always hearing from people that Geno never faced legit defenses, which I think is hog-wash. Whenever I hear this claim, I immediately wonder who they are comparing him to and why the defenses he faced are being critiqued so harshly... Geno, from the time he was a Sophomore, consistently put up stats that range from similar to superior than the stats of RG3 and Luck. Was the competition that RG3 and Luck faced THAT much tougher than the competition RG3 and Luck faced in their college careers? Honest question, I don't know.

I also frequently hear from people that Geno's success was the result of the WV system and his offensive supporting cast. But when compared to Luck and RG3, did he really have THAT much better of a supporting cast than them? Luck had Decastro on his line...many people thought (and may still think) prior to his injury last season that Decastro was a "sure thing" to be a productive OL for many seasons. And RG3 was throwing to Kendall Wright, who was a first round pick himself, who I happen to believe is the real deal. He saved RG3's ass on multiple occasions at Baylor with some of his acrobatic catches on balls that appeared to be over-thrown.

Call me crazy, but I honestly almost chose RG3 as one who Geno is superior to in terms of being a prospect entering the draft, for RG3's injury risks seemed to be glaring to me with him being injured in 2009 and 2010. And it appears that these injury concerns regarding him are actually pretty legit considering the serious injury he sustained this season. Yeah, yeah, I am aware of RG3's potential/talent when not injured, his popularity, his intelligence off the field, etc., but for the long haul, I think Geno is a guy who can make his team a perennial contender and RG3 can obviously accomplish some things himself, but I think he is much more inclined to have a shortened career when compared to Geno.

How can this guy NOT be considered a potential elite QB prospect? Fo' realzies, I don get da hate/lack of cred.

Not sure how you are tying Geno to Matty Ice. I think Nassib is more like Ryan than Geno. Keyword = Gamer.

rico · 04-12-2013, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Not sure how you are tying Geno to Matty Ice. I think Nassib is more like Ryan than Geno. Keyword = Gamer.

Wasn't really trying to tie the two together for the sake of doing so...just kind of randomly thought about it when I was reading the poll results. Honestly, if Geno were in that 2008 draft class, I'd be more excited about him as a prospect than Matt Ryan. I know that sounds ridiculous now that Matt Ryan has proven himself a nice QB in the NFL so far, but I'm just basing it on how I perceived him as a prospect at the time compared to how I view Geno now...which I have a higher opinion of Geno then I did for Matt Ryan in 2008.

Mr_Tomahawk · 04-12-2013, 05:54 AM

We need more Geno threads!

BlackHelicopters · 04-12-2013, 07:12 AM

None, yet.

keg in kc · 04-12-2013, 07:23 AM

At this point (meaning draft time before any pro snaps by any of them) I would put him ahead of everyone on that list aside from Luck, Griffin, Aaron Rodgers (woefullly underdrafted) and Matt Stafford.

View Poll Results: As a QB prospect coming out of college, Geno Smith is better than...
Chad Pennington	68	57.14%
Michael Vick	16	13.45%
David Carr	46	38.66%
Joey Harrington	55	46.22%
Patrick Ramsey	85	71.43%
Carson Palmer	23	19.33%
Byron Leftwich	71	59.66%
Kyle Boller	89	74.79%
Rex Grossman	82	68.91%
Eli Manning	8	6.72%
Philip Rivers	17	14.29%
Ben Roethlisberger	23	19.33%
Alex Smith	35	29.41%
Aaron Rodgers	14	11.76%
Jason Campbell	79	66.39%
Vince Young	53	44.54%
Matt Leinart	63	52.94%
Jay Cutler	32	26.89%
JaMarcus Russell	57	47.90%
Brady Quinn	76	63.87%
Matt Ryan	22	18.49%
Joe Flacco	38	31.93%
Matt Stafford	13	10.92%
Mark Sanchez	61	51.26%
Josh Freeman	59	49.58%
Sam Bradford	29	24.37%
Tim Tebow	85	71.43%
Cam Newton	22	18.49%
Jake Locker	70	58.82%
Blaine Gabbert	72	60.50%
Christian Ponder	81	68.07%
Andrew Luck	4	3.36%
Robert Griffin III	7	5.88%
Ryan Tannehill	57	47.90%
Brandon Weeden	73	61.34%
Geno Smith isn't better than any of these QBs	12	10.08%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 119. You may not vote on this poll

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04-12-2013, 02:03 AM	#9
rico ON CP YOU’RE SOMEBODY’S BITCH! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Da SEI Casino cash: $4714809	One thing that I think will get overlooked in this poll is Matt Ryan. Coming out of college, my God that dude had some question marks that were consistently giving birth to baby question marks, imo. My goodness he threw a lot of INTs his Senior season. If you were to evaluate and compare the two, by looking exclusively at stats, I don't know how Geno (and many other of these other guys) couldn't be regarded as a better prospect. And I know, I know...we aren't supposed to make our choices in this poll due to just stats. Just saying, statistically speaking, Matt was shaky as hell and Geno is not given near the credit he deserves considering the numbers he put up and some of the games in which he put up those numbers, including his historic comp/attempts statline vs. LSU's notoriously tough defense in '11, vs. Clemson in the Orange Bowl '11, Baylor's shitty defense, but amazing stats nevertheless in '12, etc.) To be honest, I thought the Falcons were smart to take a chance and attempt to get their guy and were obviously smart in doing so, for things haven't worked out too badly for the Ryan-led Falcons so far, but at the time, I didn't think the chances of him succeeding were very high, let alone succeeding as early as he did. I am always hearing from people that Geno never faced legit defenses, which I think is hog-wash. Whenever I hear this claim, I immediately wonder who they are comparing him to and why the defenses he faced are being critiqued so harshly... Geno, from the time he was a Sophomore, consistently put up stats that range from similar to superior than the stats of RG3 and Luck. Was the competition that RG3 and Luck faced THAT much tougher than the competition RG3 and Luck faced in their college careers? Honest question, I don't know. I also frequently hear from people that Geno's success was the result of the WV system and his offensive supporting cast. But when compared to Luck and RG3, did he really have THAT much better of a supporting cast than them? Luck had Decastro on his line...many people thought (and may still think) prior to his injury last season that Decastro was a "sure thing" to be a productive OL for many seasons. And RG3 was throwing to Kendall Wright, who was a first round pick himself, who I happen to believe is the real deal. He saved RG3's ass on multiple occasions at Baylor with some of his acrobatic catches on balls that appeared to be over-thrown. Call me crazy, but I honestly almost chose RG3 as one who Geno is superior to in terms of being a prospect entering the draft, for RG3's injury risks seemed to be glaring to me with him being injured in 2009 and 2010. And it appears that these injury concerns regarding him are actually pretty legit considering the serious injury he sustained this season. Yeah, yeah, I am aware of RG3's potential/talent when not injured, his popularity, his intelligence off the field, etc., but for the long haul, I think Geno is a guy who can make his team a perennial contender and RG3 can obviously accomplish some things himself, but I think he is much more inclined to have a shortened career when compared to Geno. How can this guy NOT be considered a potential elite QB prospect? Fo' realzies, I don get da hate/lack of cred.
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04-12-2013, 04:44 AM	#10
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