Forget E Thomas...Arizona crumbling...how about Patrick Peterson?

[arrowheadnation]

I believe he's in year 5 of a 7 year deal, but his cap hit would be massive. I'm sure we could make it work though. I wonder if Arizona would even answer the phone.

[Chiefnj2]

Kpass is getting 5 snaps a game. Tough to judge someone when they aren't on the field. Sutton has always had issues about not rotating players enough.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Kpass is getting 5 snaps a game. Tough to judge someone when they aren't on the field. Sutton has always had issues about not rotating players enough.

Perhaps he's not getting on the field because he's not very good? Chris Jones was a full-time starter by the end of his first season and he was a 2nd round pick, just like KPass.

[O.city]

Houston looked pretty fricking good yesterday. Sure, he makes a lot of money. If he plays like he did yesterday, that's fine.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

What would you be willing to give for Peterson? I'm assuming at least a 1st.

Hell, if possible, I'd give our 1st for Peterson then turnaround and give a 2nd and 4th for Thomas. We'd be fairly set at that point, just need to work on the front 7 a bit.

That's a JIMP scenario, but unlikely.

Chiefs don't have the cap for both, and I'm not sure either Thomas or Peterson would be willing to take a reduction in pay to make things more Chiefs friendly per say, esp Thomas.

But more than anything...this team needs top (young) talent on the D side of the ball. They need to hit on top draft picks more than anything. Can't do that by trading away top picks, that's the downside. Trade for Thomas/Peterson and gamble on short term success/deep playoff run/possible SB scenario vs more of a long term defensive overhaul. AFC is crap. Steelers and Pats don't look like the teams of the past and their QB's are getting old. There's a change of the guard in the AFC, Chiefs/Mahomes could be breaking through at just the right time. We'll see within the next 5wks as this all plays out.

A lot will happen within next 5 wks, and depending on how the Chiefs play will determine ultimately how the front office brass will play this card. I don't think even the Chiefs thought Mahomes would put the Chiefs in this position this early into his era. Maybe they did I dunno, but their draft picks certainly don't indicate that. They drafted projects with 2 of their top 3 picks in the draft rather than guys that can start and produce immediately.

Probably thought this would be a soft rebuilding season while Mahomes learns the ropes of being a starter, with next season being the year they make splashes in FA and make a push to go deep in playoffs. I dont think they expected Mahomes to take the league by storm like he has scoring 40ppg. I mean when you do that, you have the chance to beat anyone in the league. Maybe they recognize that and will be tempted to make a big trade before Oct 30.

[htismaqe]

We can only hope!

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

That's a JIMP scenario, but unlikely.

Chiefs don't have the cap for both, and I'm not sure either Thomas or Peterson would be willing to take a reduction in pay to make things more Chiefs friendly per say, esp Thomas.

But more than anything...this team needs top (young) talent on the D side of the ball. They need to hit on top draft picks more than anything.

A lot will happen within next 5 wks, and depending on how the Chiefs play will determine ultimately how the front office brass will play this card. I don't think even the Chiefs thought Mahomes would put the Chiefs in this position this early into his era. Maybe they did I dunno, but their draft picks certainly don't indicate that. They drafted projects with 2 of their top 3 picks in the draft rather than guys that can start and produce immediately.

Probably thought this would be a soft rebuilding season while Mahomes learns the ropes of being a starter, with next season being the year they make splashes in FA and make a push to go deep in playoffs. I dont think they expected Mahomes to take the league by storm like he has scoring 40ppg. I mean when you do that, you have the chance to beat anyone in the league. Maybe they recognize that and will be tempted to make a big trade before Oct 30.

[Mecca]

I'm to the point where I think Eric Murray maybe should just be released, a guy who doesn't understand zone concepts at safety is a complete liability.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm to the point where I think Eric Murray maybe should just be released, a guy who doesn't understand zone concepts at safety is a complete liability.

he's the worst player on the D.

[htismaqe]

Yep, just cut him.

[Eleazar]

Dead last in total defense, dead last against the pass, #30 in points allowed, went from #6 to #19 against the run (only that high because there's not much reason to run against them)

And most of the people who aren't performing are not new to the team or to poor performance. The snaps need to start going to other players. Accountability is the the only thing it seems they aren't willing to try.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, they won a freaking Super Bowl. You're looking CLEAR past the fact that this team hasn't even BEEN THERE and worrying about a freaking dynasty.

THAT makes zero sense...

And?

When you're having a discussion like this, you're comparing processes and not outcomes. The Seahawks process for their SB team was to run with the team they had and let their cheap young QB win them a championship.

The Seahawks process for the subsequent collapse was to keep throwing short-term bandaids at things while their draft/cap capital dried up. Now they're going to have a competitive team for roughly 1/2 of Russell's prime.

Had they stuck with their system after they won that first title and not deviated, they could be chasing more rings now. But the first title isn't a part of the conversation because it WASN'T a result of the kind of decision-making you're pursuing.

So I'm not sure how you can use them as any sort of analogue.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Perhaps he's not getting on the field because he's not very good? Chris Jones was a full-time starter by the end of his first season and he was a 2nd round pick, just like KPass.

From what I've read/heard, the issue with K-Pass is that the coaching staff is trying to do the same thing with this pair that they did w/ Ford - they want to assign them a side.

So when Ford gets tired, his 'replacement' comes in and they have Speaks taking weak side reps. If Houston got tired, K-Pass would come in. It's not a completely 1-1 thing, but that seems to be the explanation right now.

Which suggests that if they hold true to their pattern, Speaks will (unfortunately) get the majority of the snaps in Fords stead next week. I can't see any way Dee is back in a week. A speed rusher dealing with a strained groin that's at least serious enough to need an MRI is gone for a week. And with Reid's relatively skittish handling of injuries in the past, I could see him out for 3-4.