Chiefs 2018 Free Agents - Page 354

Couch-Potato · 01-10-2018, 09:52 AM

Who are you letting walk/cutting/retiring?

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...8-free-agents/

Who are you targeting?

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...t-tracker?pg=1

**The Franchise** · 03-23-2018, 05:26 PM

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staylor26 · 03-23-2018, 05:32 PM

Jones is a very likeable person

RunKC · 03-23-2018, 05:40 PM

Bob Sutton would whoop Marcus Peters ass

kccrow · 03-23-2018, 06:04 PM

I think I've explained effective salary cap for rookies like every year for 10 years straight in the draft forum... maybe not 10, because I haven't been here 10 years, but ****ing A.......

It's only going to "effectively" (see also net cap effect) cost the Chiefs an estimated max of about $1.1 million in 1st-year salaries for their draft class. Total actual salaries are close to $4.5 million but like was mentioned by bigjosh, not all salaries count against the cap. The $1.1 million represents the rise in costs over the bottom x number of players being replaced by draft picks. The cost of players being replaced is always assumed to be 480,000 for estimation purposes. In the case of the Chiefs, that number should be higher, and depress that $1.1 down closer to about $500k.

All told, the Chiefs need very little cap space to sign their draft class.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-23-2018, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I think I've explained effective salary cap for rookies like every year for 10 years straight in the draft forum... maybe not 10, because I haven't been here 10 years, but ****ing A.......

It's only going to "effectively" (see also net cap effect) cost the Chiefs an estimated max of about $1.1 million in 1st-year salaries for their draft class. Total actual salaries are close to $4.5 million but like was mentioned by bigjosh, not all salaries count against the cap. The $1.1 million represents the rise in costs over the bottom x number of players being replaced by draft picks. The cost of players being replaced is always assumed to be 480,000 for estimation purposes. In the case of the Chiefs, that number should be higher, and depress that $1.1 down closer to about $500k.

All told, the Chiefs need very little cap space to sign their draft class.

Joel Corey says they need $2 million this year because they don’t have a first rounder but once again, cap space is imperative.

Teams can’t sign draftees if they’re at or over the cap.

slapnutz_4 · 03-23-2018, 06:18 PM

Lol

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Joel Corey says they need $2 million this year because they don’t have a first rounder but once again, cap space is imperative.

Teams can’t sign draftees if they’re at or over the cap.

kccrow · 03-23-2018, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Joel Corey says they need $2 million this year because they don’t have a first rounder but once again, cap space is imperative.

Teams can’t sign draftees if they’re at or over the cap.

I can't say for certain, but OTC estimates have been pretty close in the past and the rookie compensation rules make it extremely complex to figure individual salaries by pick off-the-cuff.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-23-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I can't say for certain, but OTC estimates have been pretty close in the past and the rookie compensation rules make it extremely complex to figure individual salaries by pick off-the-cuff.

The main point is that some people seem to believe that the Chiefs (or any team, for that matter) can just sign their draft choices because those draftees push 7 or however many guys past the thresholds of 51 players, therefore not raising the cap.

The issue they all seem to be missing is that while that is true, teams still need available cap space in order to sign their picks.

They’re not cutting the bottom 7.

BryanBusby · 03-23-2018, 08:09 PM

Only the Chiefs first 4 selections and bonuses paid to UDFA's should have an impact on the Chiefs cap situation going into camp.

Being around the bottom for a lot of these picks makes the hits minimal.

KChiefs1 · 03-23-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem

I do agree it seems unlikely, I would rather the 2019 2nd was packaged to end up with two 2018 2nd round picks.

I’d rather end up with two 2nd rounders & two 3rd rounders. I’m looking at Cleveland’s 64th pick.

Trade our two 4th rounders plus future pick to move up.

4 players in the top 100 would be nice.

Chargem · 03-24-2018, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I’d rather end up with two 2nd rounders & two 3rd rounders. I’m looking at Cleveland’s 64th pick.

Trade our two 4th rounders plus future pick to move up.

4 players in the top 100 would be nice.

That would be ideal, I agree. I was thinking it would have to be one of our thirds this year plus the 2nd next year to end up 2,2,3,4,4 but I would much prefer 2,2,3,3. When you condense picks whiffing on one always has a bigger impact but 4 top 100's would be amazing.

The dream would be to move up somehow to get a guy who has monster potential in the first (like say Taven Bryan) but realistically I just can't see it happening.

If you had 2,2,3,3 at the top would you throw all 4 picks at the defense?

ct · 03-24-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chargem

That would be ideal, I agree. I was thinking it would have to be one of our thirds this year plus the 2nd next year to end up 2,2,3,4,4 but I would much prefer 2,2,3,3. When you condense picks whiffing on one always has a bigger impact but 4 top 100's would be amazing.

The dream would be to move up somehow to get a guy who has monster potential in the first (like say Taven Bryan) but realistically I just can't see it happening.

If you had 2,2,3,3 at the top would you throw all 4 picks at the defense?

yes with one exception, we could sure use a tough OG too

**Rausch** · 03-24-2018, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ct

yes with one exception, we could sure use a tough OG too

You think?...

KChiefs1 · 03-24-2018, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chargem

That would be ideal, I agree. I was thinking it would have to be one of our thirds this year plus the 2nd next year to end up 2,2,3,4,4 but I would much prefer 2,2,3,3. When you condense picks whiffing on one always has a bigger impact but 4 top 100's would be amazing.

If you had 2,2,3,3 at the top would you throw all 4 picks at the defense?

I think 4 solid players on defense would be better than 1 superior player. This defense needs more than one player.

Couch-Potato · 03-24-2018, 12:46 PM

lol to you guys for counting the Chiefs Cap space. I'm sure the Chiefs brass will call and thank you because without your help they would definitely over spend and not have enough for the upcoming draft picks. Football contracts and the cap are all BS. IF you can give a guy $26m signing bonus and pay him a cap salary of $800k then you can sign anyone.

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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3287078	I think I've explained effective salary cap for rookies like every year for 10 years straight in the draft forum... maybe not 10, because I haven't been here 10 years, but ***ing A....... It's only going to "effectively" (see also net cap effect) cost the Chiefs an estimated max of about $1.1 million in 1st-year salaries for their draft class. Total actual* salaries are close to $4.5 million but like was mentioned by bigjosh, not all salaries count against the cap. The $1.1 million represents the rise in costs over the bottom x number of players being replaced by draft picks. The cost of players being replaced is always assumed to be 480,000 for estimation purposes. In the case of the Chiefs, that number should be higher, and depress that $1.1 down closer to about $500k. All told, the Chiefs need very little cap space to sign their draft class.
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Couch-Potato MVP Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $3303065	lol to you guys for counting the Chiefs Cap space. I'm sure the Chiefs brass will call and thank you because without your help they would definitely over spend and not have enough for the upcoming draft picks. Football contracts and the cap are all BS. IF you can give a guy $26m signing bonus and pay him a cap salary of $800k then you can sign anyone.
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