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Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
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Matheny fired 07/14/2018




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Old 06-18-2018, 07:54 PM   #1636
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That's great and all, but I don't give a shit about "should." We all know that heads should roll. The only question that matters is if heads will roll.
its all on Dewitt at this point.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:01 PM   #1637
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Second and 3rd with 1 out in the 8th and 9th and they put the ball in play exactly zero times, striking out on outside breaking balls four straight times, trying to pull each pitch. Fortunately, Munoz swung at a pitch that was so bad he was able to reach because it was a 56 footer in the other batter's box.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:08 PM   #1638
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Second and 3rd with 1 out in the 8th and 9th and they put the ball in play exactly zero times, striking out on outside breaking balls four straight times, trying to pull each pitch. Fortunately, Munoz swung at a pitch that was so bad he was able to reach because it was a 56 footer in the other batter's box.
18 strikeouts in this game. So far and they just tied the game.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:34 PM   #1639
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This would be a lol game we have no business winning. It’s a shame that MM is trusting Bowman to deliver.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:50 PM   #1640
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Classic Matheny stupidity. Keeps Bowman in when he's throwing nothing but chest high shit, and puts the winning run on base which ends up scoring on a goddamned double.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:10 PM   #1641
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Whelp after the Pham homerun and I saw Bowman was coming in to save it I watched Westworld instead. Lol we gots the dumbest manager in the history of baseball.
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This would be a lol game we have no business winning. It’s a shame that MM is trusting Bowman to deliver.
it was clear that Bowman was off his game. Matheny just sits on his hands and watches the game be lost.

This team is an abomination to the proud teams that wore the birds on bat for over 100 years.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:36 PM   #1643
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Just watched the replay, wtf was Ozuna doing? And why the **** did MM put the winning run on base? The players are just as dumb as the jerkoff manager.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:04 PM   #1644
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Mismanagement of games on Saturday and Sunday cost the team the game tonight.

Hicks should not have been brought into the game on Saturday once they were trailing, and Norris should not have been brought into a game they were leading by five runs on Sunday. Had Matheny not made those moves, he could have used Norris for a second inning tonight or a combination of Hicks/Norris.

Then, compound that by putting the winning run on base when doubles are more likely than homers and leaving in an obviously ineffective Bowman and you have what you have.

I'm not going to blast Ozuna for not getting to a ball with a 4% catch probability, but he probably shouldn't have dived for it.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:15 AM   #1645
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Mismanagement of games on Saturday and Sunday cost the team the game tonight.

Hicks should not have been brought into the game on Saturday once they were trailing, and Norris should not have been brought into a game they were leading by five runs on Sunday. Had Matheny not made those moves, he could have used Norris for a second inning tonight or a combination of Hicks/Norris.

Then, compound that by putting the winning run on base when doubles are more likely than homers and leaving in an obviously ineffective Bowman and you have what you have.

I'm not going to blast Ozuna for not getting to a ball with a 4% catch probability, but he probably shouldn't have dived for it.
I've been watching Cardinals baseball for 50 years. Other teams lacked talent and had worse records than where this teams W/L record will probably end up.

But, I absolutely hate the way this team plays the game. The mistakes I wouldn't tolerate from the little leaguers that I coached. That happen over and over again. The same ones. Nothing seems to be learned. The bullpen misuse has been an issue since day 1 from Meathead. Nothing has changed.

There is no business in America that would tolerate this ineptitude. Their customers would leave. I hope that the Matheny apologists, the team can do no wrong crowd revolt enough to get Dewitt attention. We are way past the point where any credible manager wouldn't make this team a better team. We should be able to attract a top talent but at this point, anyone would be better.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:22 AM   #1646
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This was it, gentlemen. This was the game that starts the entire house of cards on its way down.

There is no way on this Earth or any other that DeWitt won't remember this game. Matheny won't be fired mid-season or anything, but this will be a game that stands out in a big way this offseason. It will be right after the Cubs failures at home and right before this run of very good teams that are pretty much going to push our shit in over the next month. We'll go into the ASB below .500 and the tailspin will be on.

And when the post-mortem is done, this game will absolutely stand out as 'Peak Matheny'.

He's gone. This is the kind of game that gets people fired and just as Matt Cassel finally sunk Scott Pioli, so too shall Matt Bowman finally rid us of Mike Matheny. Last night was a good thing, gents. If this team strikes out 19 times and wins a game with Matt Bowman closing it, somehow that would have been vindication for that window licking reerun.

The right thinking world will know that it was simply proof that NOBODY loses every game, no matter how hard they try. Sometimes the other team just won't let you lose. But tonight, Matheny pushed all the right buttons and his hand-picked hitting coach made sure this squad took maybe 2 halfway decent ABs all night. They managed to pull defeat from the jaws of victory here and look goddamn awful in the process.

It was perfect. He's done; it's just a matter of time.
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Just watched the replay, wtf was Ozuna doing? And why the **** did MM put the winning run on base? The players are just as dumb as the jerkoff manager.
Ozuna didn't have a chance. Off the bat it looked like a basic hard hit liner in his general vicinity so he had to go after it with the tying run in scoring position. But because Bowman didn't get a ball below the belt all night, predictably the ball was scorched and had some nasty sink to it. There was no way to see that sink off the bat and he had to be aggressive in that situation so he ended up pot-committed. I actually thought he made a hell of an effort to make it as close as it was. The sink killed him and he just couldn't have known that was going to happen.

Nope - Ozuna can't wear anything there. He did the only thing you'd expect a generally good LFer to do there. A shitty one just lays back, concedes the tying run and watches Bowman blow it with the next batter. A superlative one probably gets it. Ozuna is neither of those - he's simply a pretty good defensive player that ended up in no man's land.

This is Matheny's shit sandwich and nobody else's.
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This was it, gentlemen. This was the game that starts the entire house of cards on its way down.

There is no way on this Earth or any other that DeWitt won't remember this game. Matheny won't be fired mid-season or anything, but this will be a game that stands out in a big way this offseason. It will be right after the Cubs failures at home and right before this run of very good teams that are pretty much going to push our shit in over the next month. We'll go into the ASB below .500 and the tailspin will be on.

And when the post-mortem is done, this game will absolutely stand out as 'Peak Matheny'.

He's gone. This is the kind of game that gets people fired and just as Matt Cassel finally sunk Scott Pioli, so too shall Matt Bowman finally rid us of Mike Matheny. Last night was a good thing, gents. If this team strikes out 19 times and wins a game with Matt Bowman closing it, somehow that would have been vindication for that window licking reerun.

The right thinking world will know that it was simply proof that NOBODY loses every game, no matter how hard they try. Sometimes the other team just won't let you lose. But tonight, Matheny pushed all the right buttons and his hand-picked hitting coach made sure this squad took maybe 2 halfway decent ABs all night. They managed to pull defeat from the jaws of victory here and look goddamn awful in the process.

It was perfect. He's done; it's just a matter of time.
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This was it, gentlemen. This was the game that starts the entire house of cards on its way down.

There is no way on this Earth or any other that DeWitt won't remember this game. Matheny won't be fired mid-season or anything, but this will be a game that stands out in a big way this offseason. It will be right after the Cubs failures at home and right before this run of very good teams that are pretty much going to push our shit in over the next month. We'll go into the ASB below .500 and the tailspin will be on.

And when the post-mortem is done, this game will absolutely stand out as 'Peak Matheny'.

He's gone. This is the kind of game that gets people fired and just as Matt Cassel finally sunk Scott Pioli, so too shall Matt Bowman finally rid us of Mike Matheny. Last night was a good thing, gents. If this team strikes out 19 times and wins a game with Matt Bowman closing it, somehow that would have been vindication for that window licking reerun.

The right thinking world will know that it was simply proof that NOBODY loses every game, no matter how hard they try. Sometimes the other team just won't let you lose. But tonight, Matheny pushed all the right buttons and his hand-picked hitting coach made sure this squad took maybe 2 halfway decent ABs all night. They managed to pull defeat from the jaws of victory here and look goddamn awful in the process.

It was perfect. He's done; it's just a matter of time.
Logically this makes sense, but any organization willing to activate Greg Holland even after the dumpster fire his minor league "rehab" proved to be is one that I don't trust will pull the plug on Saint Mikey.
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