Looks like Spagnuolo [favorite for] DC

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Former Giants’ DC and HC Steve Spagnuolo has emerged as the favorite to replace Bob Sutton as the Chiefs’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

Spagnuolo and Andy Reid worked together in Philadelphia, share the same agent and have a mutual respect for each other’s work.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 23, 2019

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Sounds like MRSA Tynes is describing the ideal traits for a Golden Retriever and not a badass DC who will inject some much needed attitude into the Chiefs defense.

Yep

[RunKC]

When you think about it, this team nearly went to the Super Bowl with the disaster at defense all season.

All we need is a DC that can get guys to buy in, know what they are doing, limit mistakes and help us upgrade the talent. We aren’t asking for an elite defense next season.

It doesn’t matter what DC you have if you give them the secondary we had most of this season. It’s no wonder this defense looked a lot better when the younger guys were playing.

It pisses me off bc we would be in the Super Bowl right now if Sutton simply coached this game with any sort of formidable plan. It’s just unbelievable how bad this game was coached by him.

I really do believe myself or any of you guys could have been the DC and formulated a better gameplan/adjustments. That’s how bad it was.

[jaa1025]

1) I'd rather have Spags over Sutton
2) I'd rather have Spags over an In House hire due to me wanting to completely clean house on defense.
3) Spags is probably my least favorite candidate out there of the names people have discussed.

His DC coaching history in terms of DVOA (Much better than total defense or points againt IMO) he wasn't as bad IMO, if you take some things into consideration.

Defensive DVOA

Giants
2006 13th DVOA 15th pass, 11th rush (Pre Spags)
2007 13th DVOA 14th Pass, 9th Rush (SB Dominance)
2008 8th DVOA 10th Pass, 12th Rush

Rams (HC) Took over a bad team, remained bad but did improve on defense.
2009 31st DVOA 29th Pass, 31st Rush 1-15 record
2010 19th DVOA, 19th Pass, 20th Rush 7-9 record
2011 21st DVOA, 14th Pass, 27th Rush 2-14 record (Horrid offense)

Saints bad defense when he took over, Bounty Gate Greg Williams fired/Payton Suspended
2011 28th DVOA, 26th Pass, 21st Rush (Pre Spags)
2012 32nd DVOA, 28th Pass, 30th Rush (Bounty Gate Scandal)

NYG
2014 24th DVOA, 21st Pass, 27th Rush (Pre-Spags)
2015 30th DVOA, 28th Pass, 21st Rush
2016 2nd DVOA, 4th Pass, 2nd Rush
2017 24th DVOA, 19th Pass, 26th Rush (tons of team turmoil under McAdoo)

I feel a little better breaking it down but still not high at all. If he can assemble a good staff and they give him some bodies on defense, I think it could work.

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

I would prefer younger with experience and sone success but who is out there? Nobody I guess.

Kris Richard would have for that description, although how available he is would be up for debate

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by Karlos

Kris Richard would have for that description, although how available he is would be up for debate

Allegedly, Rod Marinelli said he would retire and let Richard take over if a team tried to hire him.

[dlphg9]

All Bob had to do was tell Eric no, you dont deserve to play in the AFC Championship game and we win that game. An average safety would have shut broke dick Gronk down. So whoever they hire all they have to do is play the best players and not just the highest paid ones and SB here we come.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Noooooo not the 4-3. However, just about anyone was an upgrade. Problem is our players are 3-4 players.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

Noooooo not the 4-3. However, just about anyone was an upgrade. Problem is our players are 3-4 players.

The only one notable that doesn't fit a 4-3 is Ragland. DoD and Hitchens probably fit the 4-3 scheme better. I think Houston would be fine and Ford could be effective in passing downs. Speaks probably fits better as well because he's certainly not an OLB in a 3-4. KPass could be a stud DE as his scouting profile suggests and his preseason suggested.

I think the line is pretty set honestly. Hitchens played well in a 4-3 and can play in all three LB positions. DoD could be fantastic in a 4-3 and fits better, imo, than an 3-4 ILB. Especially, in an aggressive 4-3 defense that Spags runs.

[dlphg9]

I think a 4-3 would be a good change.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

Noooooo not the 4-3. However, just about anyone was an upgrade. Problem is our players are 3-4 players.

Nooooo, our players are definitely not 3-4 players. And if you are confused by that, please refer to the last 2 Patriots drives.

Ragland and Hitchens are so damn slow, as is Houston. We have two linebackers with speed, Ford and DOD, and one linebacker who looks like he is running in claymation, in Speaks. Ford is a very good pass rusher, but he is bad against the run.

3-4 linebackers need to be able to run to the ball, or their spot in pass coverage, or actually cover a RB or TE out of the backfield. Also 3-4 linebackers need to avoid engaging with offensive linemen in order to be able to run to the ball.

Not only are our linebackers slow, but they have a very bad habit of stepping up directly into the offensive linemen allowing themselves to be easily blocked. It's one of the main reasons we cannot stop the run.

Another reason this defense struggled against the run is Bob Sutton's inability to actually put 3 defensive linemen on the field at the same time. No matter how physical a linebacker is, offensive linemen firing out when run blocking usually win that battle at least 80% of the time.

I believe with our current personnel, a 4-3 would put them in much better situations, where they have a chance to be successful. I have said it a thousand times, as many others on CP have, but Bob Sutton's worst attribute as a DC was his inability to adapt his scheme to fit the players on this roster.

In my mind there is absolutely no acceptable reason to have Speaks or Houston trying to cover RBs and TEs one on one in down field pass coverage. In fact, I don't think Houston or Speaks should even be dropping back in zone more than 5 yards from the LOS. This season, neither Speaks nor Houston had a positive outcome in passing situations farther than 5 yards from the LOS.

Whoever we get, and whatever scheme he runs, if the only adjustment he make is not asking players to do things they are physically incapable of doing, it will be an improvement.

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[SuperBowl4]

Can the CHIEFS get permission to talk to WADE PHILLIPS?

[New World Order]

I'd like to get Weddle on a 1-year deal for cheap if possible. It sounds like he's going to be a Raven cap casualty. Pair him with Clinton Dix and draft Mack Wilson

The middle of the field wouldn't be a problem anymore.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

The only one notable that doesn't fit a 4-3 is Ragland. DoD and Hitchens probably fit the 4-3 scheme better. I think Houston would be fine and Ford could be effective in passing downs. Speaks probably fits better as well because he's certainly not an OLB in a 3-4. KPass could be a stud DE as his scouting profile suggests and his preseason suggested.

I think the line is pretty set honestly. Hitchens played well in a 4-3 and can play in all three LB positions. DoD could be fantastic in a 4-3 and fits better, imo, than an 3-4 ILB. Especially, in an aggressive 4-3 defense that Spags runs.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Nooooo, our players are definitely not 3-4 players. And if you are confused by that, please refer to the last 2 Patriots drives.

Ragland and Hitchens are so damn slow, as is Houston. We have two linebackers with speed, Ford and DOD, and one linebacker who looks like he is running in claymation, in Speaks. Ford is a very good pass rusher, but he is bad against the run.

3-4 linebackers need to be able to run to the ball, or their spot in pass coverage, or actually cover a RB or TE out of the backfield. Also 3-4 linebackers need to avoid engaging with offensive linemen in order to be able to run to the ball.

Not only are our linebackers slow, but they have a very bad habit of stepping up directly into the offensive linemen allowing themselves to be easily blocked. It's one of the main reasons we cannot stop the run.

Another reason this defense struggled against the run is Bob Sutton's inability to actually put 3 defensive linemen on the field at the same time. No matter how physical a linebacker is, offensive linemen firing out when run blocking usually win that battle at least 80% of the time.

I believe with our current personnel, a 4-3 would put them in much better situations, where they have a chance to be successful. I have said it a thousand times, as many others on CP have, but Bob Sutton's worst attribute as a DC was his inability to adapt his scheme to fit the players on this roster.

In my mind there is absolutely no acceptable reason to have Speaks or Houston trying to cover RBs and TEs one on one in down field pass coverage. In fact, I don't think Houston or Speaks should even be dropping back in zone more than 5 yards from the LOS. This season, neither Speaks nor Houston had a positive outcome in passing situations farther than 5 yards from the LOS.

Whoever we get, and whatever scheme he runs, if the only adjustment he make is not asking players to do things they are physically incapable of doing, it will be an improvement.

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You both make great points. Scheme wise I'm still a 3-4 fan, but you convinced me that the players suck in it. Although they may just suck period.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

1) I'd rather have Spags over Sutton
2) I'd rather have Spags over an In House hire due to me wanting to completely clean house on defense.
3) Spags is probably my least favorite candidate out there of the names people have discussed.

His DC coaching history in terms of DVOA (Much better than total defense or points againt IMO) he wasn't as bad IMO, if you take some things into consideration.

Defensive DVOA

Giants
2006 13th DVOA 15th pass, 11th rush (Pre Spags)
2007 13th DVOA 14th Pass, 9th Rush (SB Dominance)
2008 8th DVOA 10th Pass, 12th Rush

Rams (HC) Took over a bad team, remained bad but did improve on defense.
2009 31st DVOA 29th Pass, 31st Rush 1-15 record
2010 19th DVOA, 19th Pass, 20th Rush 7-9 record
2011 21st DVOA, 14th Pass, 27th Rush 2-14 record (Horrid offense)

Saints bad defense when he took over, Bounty Gate Greg Williams fired/Payton Suspended
2011 28th DVOA, 26th Pass, 21st Rush (Pre Spags)
2012 32nd DVOA, 28th Pass, 30th Rush (Bounty Gate Scandal)

NYG
2014 24th DVOA, 21st Pass, 27th Rush (Pre-Spags)
2015 30th DVOA, 28th Pass, 21st Rush
2016 2nd DVOA, 4th Pass, 2nd Rush
2017 24th DVOA, 19th Pass, 26th Rush (tons of team turmoil under McAdoo)

I feel a little better breaking it down but still not high at all. If he can assemble a good staff and they give him some bodies on defense, I think it could work.

I think he only coached one year with new orleans. Never coached for Payton. So I'd asterisk that year and 2017 (Mcadoo mutiny, Landon Collins / Eli Apple feud, Eli benching drama, obj distraction.... Total mess of a locker room. Plus half year split as a head coach / dc).

[Lightrise]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Nooooo, our players are definitely not 3-4 players. And if you are confused by that, please refer to the last 2 Patriots drives.

Ragland and Hitchens are so damn slow, as is Houston. We have two linebackers with speed, Ford and DOD, and one linebacker who looks like he is running in claymation, in Speaks. Ford is a very good pass rusher, but he is bad against the run.

3-4 linebackers need to be able to run to the ball, or their spot in pass coverage, or actually cover a RB or TE out of the backfield. Also 3-4 linebackers need to avoid engaging with offensive linemen in order to be able to run to the ball.

Not only are our linebackers slow, but they have a very bad habit of stepping up directly into the offensive linemen allowing themselves to be easily blocked. It's one of the main reasons we cannot stop the run.

Another reason this defense struggled against the run is Bob Sutton's inability to actually put 3 defensive linemen on the field at the same time. No matter how physical a linebacker is, offensive linemen firing out when run blocking usually win that battle at least 80% of the time.

I believe with our current personnel, a 4-3 would put them in much better situations, where they have a chance to be successful. I have said it a thousand times, as many others on CP have, but Bob Sutton's worst attribute as a DC was his inability to adapt his scheme to fit the players on this roster.

In my mind there is absolutely no acceptable reason to have Speaks or Houston trying to cover RBs and TEs one on one in down field pass coverage. In fact, I don't think Houston or Speaks should even be dropping back in zone more than 5 yards from the LOS. This season, neither Speaks nor Houston had a positive outcome in passing situations farther than 5 yards from the LOS.

Whoever we get, and whatever scheme he runs, if the only adjustment he make is not asking players to do things they are physically incapable of doing, it will be an improvement.

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That is the cold hard truth here. As I look at the league and what we will have to face, which is some version of what Andy delivered offensively this season, the Chiefs have to return to their roots. That means a fabulous secondary and an attitude that causes fumbles. How this happens is an open question. I don't see it happening with an aging Berry or Houston, nor the linebackers you just mentioned. This problem needs ANOTHER 2 years to be fixed, unfortunately. The plan has to continue to be scoring 40 points a game and we have to tackle the secondary first. This means a Safety in the first round, a CB and Edge rusher in the second round, a linebacker in the 3rd rounder, a player trade that gets us into the 3rd again for a RB. Delay extending Jones until next year. Our needs suggest the DC needs to be Ryan.