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Old 09-17-2018, 11:54 PM  
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Trump poised to win $5 billion to build border wall

Trump poised to win $5 billion to build border wall

by Paul Bedard
| September 14, 2018 08:13 AM


President Trump and congressional leaders have agreed to a border wall funding showdown after the upcoming November midterm elections and if he plays his cards right, it could result in $5 billion, more than twice what the White House initially sought.

While appropriations bills are moving at the fastest pace in over 20 years, with many expected to be approved by Oct. 1, the start of the fiscal year, Homeland Security funding for the wall is likely to be delayed, said officials.

Plans are already underway to approve temporary, “stopgap,” funding that will cover Homeland until its new spending is approved after the wall funding fight.

However, in a good sign for the White House, the Senate has already locked in the $1.6 billion Trump sought this year in wall construction funding in a bipartisan vote and it will be included in the stopgap bill.

The House is likely to approve $5 billion for the wall, matching Trump’s top level wish and setting up negotiations with the Senate.

Threats of a shutdown over not getting full funding for the wall by Oct. 1, however, threaten to disrupt the plan agreed to at a recent White House meeting between Trump, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Speaker Paul Ryan, according to a key official.

Should Trump shift and shut the government down, Democrats would likely make demands for their support and that would include funding for their pet projects.

“A shutdown scenario becomes a lot more expensive,” said a congressional negotiator.

To convince the president against a shutdown, officials are pointing to the pledge to push for more border wall funding after the election.

They are also warning that a shutdown would cloud the success Trump has had this year in pushing for on-time passage of spending bills and eliminate media coverage of his biggest summer victory, the likely confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, which opens its fall session on Oct. 1.

Post-election negotiations could go fast because knowledgeable sources said that McConnell would approve $5 billion, as would other GOP leaders.

Republican Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, who heads the appropriations subcommittee funding the wall, for example, told the West Virginia Metro News that she is working to get as much as $5 billion.

“In talking to the Border Patrol, they seem to feel that is an amount that they could absorb and work toward securing the border that way. We’re trying to find the money, but that’s not easy. We’re in heavy discussion right now,” said the West Virginia Republican.

And House and Senate aides said that if Trump makes a public case for more spending he could get it quickly in the post-election talks.

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Old 09-18-2018, 05:08 PM   #76
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Yea, having democrats in charge of every committee won't make a bit of difference into what type of congressional investigations of Trump there are.
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Old 09-18-2018, 05:40 PM   #77
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Yes, it's not proven. So you can't say that they all failed.
Sure I can. "They all failed." See? That's backed up by the article that said they were all deemed vulnerable.



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Yep. And what's wrong with doing the same thing on our southern border?
Not a thing, if it makes fiscal and environmental sense to build it. One relevant consideration, probably the most relevant consideration, will be how effective it is. Which goes to how easily it can be defeated.
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Old 09-18-2018, 05:46 PM   #78
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Sure I can. "They all failed." See? That's backed up by the article that said they were all deemed vulnerable.
True. You can, but you shouldn't, since the article you posted doesn't support that assertion.

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Not a thing, if it makes fiscal and environmental sense to build it. One relevant consideration, probably the most relevant consideration, will be how effective it is. Which goes to how easily it can be defeated.
Great. See above.
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True. You can, but you shouldn't, since the article you posted doesn't support that assertion.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:15 PM   #81
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Correct. Milestone payments plus financing payments. Whoever thought we would pluck 20 billion down at once has obviously never worked and do not understand how the real world works.
20B is a piss in the wind for the US Govt.

That's less than 1% of the money we urinated away on Iraq-Afghan. And we got nothing for those. This would have at least some ROI, what that is, we can debate. But it'll be something.
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I wanted the Wall because it's permanent, and will cut down at least some immigration and some drugs. We in our movement know nothing is foolproof. It's basically homeland security - we should do what we can to prevent terrorism even tho we know you can't prevent it entirely.


Really tho, I wanted it to be used as a cudgel to get rid of the goddamn DACAs. I'd trade the Wall for deportation of DACA in a heartbeat, knowing that's highly unlikely.


Today, 2 years in with full GOP control, we have no change in DACA, no wall, but tax cuts for the rich and massive Pentagon spending. We did NOT!!!!! vote for that and will not vote in Nov to continue it.
This really sums up Trumps presidency so far for me. He has done quite a bit that I like, but most has been done E.O. The next "guy" will throw all that out the same way Trump threw out Obummers E.O.'s. With complete control of Congress and the White House, he should of been able to push more through. Obama pushed Obummercare through, even though they needed to pass it to see what was in it. Every Dem signed on to that crap like free food stamps for everybody

Damn, Republicans piss me off. So far, neither one of us have gotten what we wanted. They just bend and bend until the Dems get what they wanted to begin with.... and this is during a supposed Rep. majority
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This really sums up Trumps presidency so far for me. He has done quite a bit that I like, but most has been done E.O. The next "guy" will throw all that out the same way Trump threw out Obummers E.O.'s. With complete control of Congress and the White House, he should of been able to push more through. Obama pushed Obummercare through, even though they needed to pass it to see what was in it. Every Dem signed on to that crap like free food stamps for everybody

Damn, Republicans piss me off. So far, neither one of us have gotten what we wanted. They just bend and bend until the Dems get what they wanted to begin with.... and this is during a supposed Rep. majority
It’s not really true that most of Trump’s accomplishments have come via EO. Even much of the regulation reform has come in conjunction with the CRA which prevents future re-regulation without legislative action.
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There is no funding for the wall in the Senate bill. Ergo it isn't happening.


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It’s not really true that most of Trump’s accomplishments have come via EO. Even much of the regulation reform has come in conjunction with the CRA which prevents future re-regulation without legislative action.
I guess I'm not familiar with CRA. Google led me to something Canadian.
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I guess I'm not familiar with CRA. Google led me to something Canadian.
Maybe I have the acronym wrong. Let me get back to you.
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Here it is. The Congressional Review Act.
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Thanks for the link. I have to go to work here in a few minutes but if I remember I will read up on it tonight when I get home.
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Thanks for the link. I have to go to work here in a few minutes but if I remember I will read up on it tonight when I get home.
It's a pretty short summary.

TLDR= the GOP Congress was able to repeal many Obama administration regulations going back as far as May 2016. The executive branch is prohibited from reinstating these or any similar regulations without Congressional action.
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