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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-25-2013, 04:40 PM

NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady

INDIANAPOLIS — The 2013 NFL Draft quarterback class is ripe for someone, really anyone, to step up and take the reins as the lead prospect.

One of the players in the mix to potentially do that, Matt Barkley, was one of three quarterbacks invited to the scouting combine that did not participate in drills because of an injury (Zac Dysert and Sean Renfree being the others). Barkley’s absence left a host of other contenders hoping to close the gap on West Virginia’s Geno Smith, currently a general-consensus pick as the No. 1 QB available.

The QB group worked through its on-field drills on Sunday, two days after meeting with the media. A quick look at how some of the top participating quarterbacks fared this weekend, and what it might mean going forward:

Geno Smith, West Virginia
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 218 … 40 time: 4.59 … Vertical jump: 33.5 inches

If you needed any further proof that there is no RGIII in this year’s QB class, Smith running the best 40-yard-dash at this position should do it. But for Smith, his 4.59 40 should help convince teams that he can get out of the pocket and make plays, even if he’s not an option-offense prospect.

On the flip, however, Day 4 of the combine wrapped without any real sense that any QB had separated himself from the rest. All the throws were there for the West Virginia product, but his inability to really run away and hide from the rest of the class certainly will not help his case for the No. 1 overall selection.

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 227 … 40 time: 5.06 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches

Nassib’s low-end 40 time (unofficially 5.06, better than only Landry Jones at quarterback) proofed what his college tape showed and what he told the media here Friday: He’s not a speed QB.

“I’m not much of a runner by trade like some other guys,” Nassib said, when asked if he could run the zone-read.

As a pocket passer, though, Nassib did nothing to hurt his stock during Sunday’s workout. The knocks on Nassib include that he lets his mechanics slip and occasionally floats passes downfield. But in the controlled combine environment, he was able to flash a strong, accurate arm. Nassib is a more athletic QB than he showed in the 40, too, so don’t expect his 5.06 to hurt him too much.

Mike Glennon, N.C. State
Height: 6-7 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 26.5 inches

Right now, Glennon is a sort of take-what-you-get prospect for NFL teams. He did manage to come in under 5.0 seconds unofficially in the 40, topping Nassib, Tyler Bray and Jones, but he’s simply a tall, gangly QB with room to grow both physically and as a passer.

There’s no denying that he has a strong arm — one of the strongest in the draft. Is that enough to convince NFL teams to overlook his downsides? Maybe, but Sunday likely will not go down as his distinguishing moment.

Tyler Bray, Tennessee
Height: 6-6 … Weight: 232 … 40 time: … Vertical jump: DNP

Say hello to your high-riser at the QB position out of the combine. Bray weighed in at 232, up a whopping 24 pounds from his final game at Tennessee. Like Glennon and Nassib, he’s far from a burner or an option guy, so his high 40 time shouldn’t hinder him too much.

And that’s especially true because Bray zinged the ball (and did so accurately) during drills. There’s definitely room for quarterbacks to rise and fall between now and the draft, and Bray’s weekend work has him trending in the right direction.

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 215 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches

Wilson was middle of the road in most of Sunday’s drills. That’s an improvement from a couple days ago, when Wilson measured in alongside Colby Cameron and Matt Scott as the smallest QB prospects here (6-2) and stood alone with the smallest hands (8 3/4). The latter could be an issue for a lot of teams — small hands are believed to translate to a weak grip on the football and, thus, fumbles and/or passes that tend to wobble.

Wilson still has work to do as a passer, where his footwork tends to desert him. He did not make any glaring mistakes Sunday.

E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Height: 6-4 … Weight: 237 … 40 time: 4.65 … Vertical jump: 34 inches

Manuel said Friday, “I definitely feel I’m the best quarterback in this class.” Even though that may not wind up being true, Manuel continues to look more and more like a definite Day 2 option for teams hoping to develop a quarterback. Manuel finished second to Smith in the 40, but he measured in with the biggest hands of any QB (10 3/8 inches), put up the top vertical jump and posted the second-best broad jump (9 feet, 10 inches).

He’s an athlete with a nice arm, plus might be capable of running at least a little read-option. All of that could combine to drive Manuel up the draft board.

Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 5.11 … Vertical jump: 31 inches

Jones timed in as the slowest of the quarterbacks who participated Sunday, with a 5.11. That’s only so important for a pocket guy like Jones, but it does further the perception that Jones’ all-around game is tolerable yet underwhelming. Jones appeared to have a fine day throwing the football — hitting his spots when able to set and fire has never been his bugaboo, though.

**BossChief** · 02-25-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Whats hilarious is Rich Eisen and Kurt Warner making Mayock look like an idiot at the3 combine.

Exactly. Its like they were like "uh, Mike, this guy looks damn good...not sure what youre watching..."....then Geno came on set and all of them fell in love...

Warner flat out said he should be the #1 pick.

I wonder what the alterior motives are behind all the anti Geno stuff?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-25-2013, 10:22 PM

Mike Mayock is a ****ing idiot. He always has been and he always will be. He's no different than Kiper, McShay, or dozens of other pus bags that were failed scouts.

Go back and read his opinions on Robert Ayers and Aaron Curry.

He's a jenkem-huffing cretin.

RyFo18 · 02-25-2013, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mike Mayock is a ****ing idiot. He always has been and he always will be. He's no different than Kiper, McShay, or dozens of other pus bags that were failed scouts.

Go back and read his opinions on Robert Ayers and Aaron Curry.

He's a jenkem-huffing cretin.

I like Mayock...but I'll never forget him leading the way for Gabbert over Newton.

RunKC · 02-25-2013, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mike Mayock is a ****ing idiot. He always has been and he always will be. He's no different than Kiper, McShay, or dozens of other pus bags that were failed scouts.

Go back and read his opinions on Robert Ayers and Aaron Curry.

He's a jenkem-huffing cretin.

He whiffed on McCluster too.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-25-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The next week of back stepping from Mayock will be like GOLD.

"Well, I had a chance to watch the rest of this guys tape and he is starting to win me over...I saw some really promising things on tape.

If he has a strong proday, this kid should be cemented as the number one overall pick...as it sits, I now see him as a top 12 pick"

He's no different than the charlatans on those call-in gambling hotlines who have three different scripts according to callers then claim that they hit on 80% of picks.

(If he goes 18) "Oh yeah, I had Geno Smith as a top 20 pick."
(If he goes #1) "It's obvious to me that Geno Smith separated himself as far and away the guy."
If he goes 12 and fails he's Christian Ponder and he was a reach
If he goes 17 and succeeds he's Joe Flacco (who was a reach at the time) and is a great value pick.

It's all done for the express purposes of revisionist history.

Direckshun · 02-25-2013, 10:32 PM

This is the most miserable draft season I can remember.

And we have the #1 pick. Only we could turn that into a curse.

**Bowser** · 02-25-2013, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indignayshun

This is the most miserable draft season I can remember.

And we have the #1 pick. Only we could turn that into a curse.

What mod did you piss off now, Indignayshun?

bigbucks24 · 02-25-2013, 11:19 PM

Why do you guys even read this stuff. Anyone that says anything except, "Geno is a god and deserves to be the #1 pick in the draft" is a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple. You don't want opinions. You just want your obsession justified.

rico · 02-26-2013, 12:02 AM

My favorite two QB prospects since the beginning of the college season this year have been Geno and Bray. This hasn't changed.

What gets me about Tyler Bray's draft stock is that I've read multiple 2014 NFL mock drafts that have Tyler Bray going #1 overall. This is when it was presumed that Bray would not enter draft until 2014. What makes this even more interesting is reading these people post how the draft class of 2014 will be deep in terms of talent...and Bray is at the top of many of them. These same people, created mocks for 2013 and generally always make some sort of claim about the QB class being weak this year.

This doesn't add up... So Bray is a projected 2nd/3rd rounder in what is generally viewed by a bunch of dipshits as a WEAK QB class of 2013, but has simultaneously been projected by the SAME people as a number 1 overall pick in a draft class that they believe will be deep and talented?!?! Yeah, I know he has character concerns as of right now....but seriously, an extra college season to prove his lack of character concerns makes THAT big of a difference with him?! To go from a projected 2nd/3rd in a weak class to a 1st overall pick in a deep/talented class????

htismaqe · 02-26-2013, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Why do you guys even read this stuff. Anyone that says anything except, "Geno is a god and deserves to be the #1 pick in the draft" is a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple. You don't want opinions. You just want your obsession justified.

Anybody that doesn't want Geno at the #1 pick IS an idiot.

That's not an obsession, that's the mother****ing truth.

htismaqe · 02-26-2013, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indignayshun

This is the most miserable draft season I can remember.

And we have the #1 pick. Only we could turn that into a curse.

htismaqe · 02-26-2013, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mike Mayock is a ****ing idiot. He always has been and he always will be. He's no different than Kiper, McShay, or dozens of other pus bags that were failed scouts.

Go back and read his opinions on Robert Ayers and Aaron Curry.

He's a jenkem-huffing cretin.

BUTTHASH!

Beef Supreme · 02-26-2013, 07:16 AM

Geno 2012 stats

SEASON
2012

CMP 369

ATT 518

YDS 4205

CMP% 71.2

YPA 8.12

LNG 87

TD 42

INT 6

Sack 19

QB Rating 163.9

**The Franchise** · 02-26-2013, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Why do you guys even read this stuff. Anyone that says anything except, "Geno is a god and deserves to be the #1 pick in the draft" is a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple. You don't want opinions. You just want your obsession justified.

Tell me what franchise changing player is available at #1.

**wazu** · 02-26-2013, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Why do you guys even read this stuff. Anyone that says anything except, "Geno is a god and deserves to be the #1 pick in the draft" is a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple. You don't want opinions. You just want your obsession justified.

No, we just want Geno.

02-25-2013, 04:40 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $952813	NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady INDIANAPOLIS — The 2013 NFL Draft quarterback class is ripe for someone, really anyone, to step up and take the reins as the lead prospect. One of the players in the mix to potentially do that, Matt Barkley, was one of three quarterbacks invited to the scouting combine that did not participate in drills because of an injury (Zac Dysert and Sean Renfree being the others). Barkley’s absence left a host of other contenders hoping to close the gap on West Virginia’s Geno Smith, currently a general-consensus pick as the No. 1 QB available. The QB group worked through its on-field drills on Sunday, two days after meeting with the media. A quick look at how some of the top participating quarterbacks fared this weekend, and what it might mean going forward: Geno Smith, West Virginia Height: 6-2 … Weight: 218 … 40 time: 4.59 … Vertical jump: 33.5 inches If you needed any further proof that there is no RGIII in this year’s QB class, Smith running the best 40-yard-dash at this position should do it. But for Smith, his 4.59 40 should help convince teams that he can get out of the pocket and make plays, even if he’s not an option-offense prospect. On the flip, however, Day 4 of the combine wrapped without any real sense that any QB had separated himself from the rest. All the throws were there for the West Virginia product, but his inability to really run away and hide from the rest of the class certainly will not help his case for the No. 1 overall selection. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse Height: 6-2 … Weight: 227 … 40 time: 5.06 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches Nassib’s low-end 40 time (unofficially 5.06, better than only Landry Jones at quarterback) proofed what his college tape showed and what he told the media here Friday: He’s not a speed QB. “I’m not much of a runner by trade like some other guys,” Nassib said, when asked if he could run the zone-read. As a pocket passer, though, Nassib did nothing to hurt his stock during Sunday’s workout. The knocks on Nassib include that he lets his mechanics slip and occasionally floats passes downfield. But in the controlled combine environment, he was able to flash a strong, accurate arm. Nassib is a more athletic QB than he showed in the 40, too, so don’t expect his 5.06 to hurt him too much. Mike Glennon, N.C. State Height: 6-7 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 26.5 inches Right now, Glennon is a sort of take-what-you-get prospect for NFL teams. He did manage to come in under 5.0 seconds unofficially in the 40, topping Nassib, Tyler Bray and Jones, but he’s simply a tall, gangly QB with room to grow both physically and as a passer. There’s no denying that he has a strong arm — one of the strongest in the draft. Is that enough to convince NFL teams to overlook his downsides? Maybe, but Sunday likely will not go down as his distinguishing moment. Tyler Bray, Tennessee Height: 6-6 … Weight: 232 … 40 time: … Vertical jump: DNP Say hello to your high-riser at the QB position out of the combine. Bray weighed in at 232, up a whopping 24 pounds from his final game at Tennessee. Like Glennon and Nassib, he’s far from a burner or an option guy, so his high 40 time shouldn’t hinder him too much. And that’s especially true because Bray zinged the ball (and did so accurately) during drills. There’s definitely room for quarterbacks to rise and fall between now and the draft, and Bray’s weekend work has him trending in the right direction. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas Height: 6-2 … Weight: 215 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches Wilson was middle of the road in most of Sunday’s drills. That’s an improvement from a couple days ago, when Wilson measured in alongside Colby Cameron and Matt Scott as the smallest QB prospects here (6-2) and stood alone with the smallest hands (8 3/4). The latter could be an issue for a lot of teams — small hands are believed to translate to a weak grip on the football and, thus, fumbles and/or passes that tend to wobble. Wilson still has work to do as a passer, where his footwork tends to desert him. He did not make any glaring mistakes Sunday. E.J. Manuel, Florida State Height: 6-4 … Weight: 237 … 40 time: 4.65 … Vertical jump: 34 inches Manuel said Friday, “I definitely feel I’m the best quarterback in this class.” Even though that may not wind up being true, Manuel continues to look more and more like a definite Day 2 option for teams hoping to develop a quarterback. Manuel finished second to Smith in the 40, but he measured in with the biggest hands of any QB (10 3/8 inches), put up the top vertical jump and posted the second-best broad jump (9 feet, 10 inches). He’s an athlete with a nice arm, plus might be capable of running at least a little read-option. All of that could combine to drive Manuel up the draft board. Landry Jones, Oklahoma Height: 6-4 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 5.11 … Vertical jump: 31 inches Jones timed in as the slowest of the quarterbacks who participated Sunday, with a 5.11. That’s only so important for a pocket guy like Jones, but it does further the perception that Jones’ all-around game is tolerable yet underwhelming. Jones appeared to have a fine day throwing the football — hitting his spots when able to set and fire has never been his bugaboo, though.
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bigbucks24 Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Casino cash: $9728694	Why do you guys even read this stuff. Anyone that says anything except, "Geno is a god and deserves to be the #1 pick in the draft" is a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple. You don't want opinions. You just want your obsession justified.
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rico ON CP YOU’RE SOMEBODY’S BITCH! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Da SEI Casino cash: $4674809	My favorite two QB prospects since the beginning of the college season this year have been Geno and Bray. This hasn't changed. What gets me about Tyler Bray's draft stock is that I've read multiple 2014 NFL mock drafts that have Tyler Bray going #1 overall. This is when it was presumed that Bray would not enter draft until 2014. What makes this even more interesting is reading these people post how the draft class of 2014 will be deep in terms of talent...and Bray is at the top of many of them. These same people, created mocks for 2013 and generally always make some sort of claim about the QB class being weak this year. This doesn't add up... So Bray is a projected 2nd/3rd rounder in what is generally viewed by a bunch of dipshits as a WEAK QB class of 2013, but has simultaneously been projected by the SAME people as a number 1 overall pick in a draft class that they believe will be deep and talented?!?! Yeah, I know he has character concerns as of right now....but seriously, an extra college season to prove his lack of character concerns makes THAT big of a difference with him?! To go from a projected 2nd/3rd in a weak class to a 1st overall pick in a deep/talented class????
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02-26-2013, 07:16 AM	#73
Beef Supreme MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $10019560	Geno 2012 stats SEASON 2012 CMP 369 ATT 518 YDS 4205 CMP% 71.2 YPA 8.12 LNG 87 TD 42 INT 6 Sack 19 QB Rating 163.9 Last edited by Beef Supreme; 02-26-2013 at 07:22 AM..
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