QB Impressions

[Direckshun]

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

From a thread on the 2018 class I started in early April:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=307038





Clay, dude, you know I love you, but suck my ****ing dick.

It's one thing to be leery and burnt out on FA's, but I'll draft 1000 Geno's before I ever turn tail on ANY draft class.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Keep hearing from scouts who've made USC school calls that Darnold is going to stay in school

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) October 2, 2017

[Direckshun]

So the 4 stud QBs so far:

Tribusky will start soon
Kizer starts when he returns from injury
Watson is starting now
Mahomes continues marinating under Smith in KC

This is really exciting. Watson looks every bit the stud I thought he'd be -- I look forward to his sophomore year next year when defenses key in on him more. Can he adjust? That was always the question with him, but I figured he could find a way. He's just an amazing talent that I wanted over Mahomes at the time.

Kizer has looked alright, given the dumpster fire he's surrounded by. Reminds me a bit of Derek Carr in a way -- Carr walked into the disaster that was Oakland and didn't completely shit himself. I think Kizer's future could be similar.

Tribusky really did look amazing in the preseason. High hopes for that kid.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Darnold is easily the best and the only one I can see being on Mahomes level.

He should probably stay one more year though. For one, he needs it, and for two, who wants to play for the Jets?

Rudolph is the most underrated. I think he could be a solid starter.

Definitely, has the brightest nose and best at guiding a sleigh at night.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kccrow

over/under on the Oklahoma State/Texas Tech showdown tonight? Rudolph and Shimonek should probably combine for at least 1000 yards passing lol.

Disappointed... Only 776...

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Keep hearing from scouts who've made USC school calls that Darnold is going to stay in school

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) October 2, 2017

Would be an idiot to leave, although he might avoid the Jets.

May not avoid the Chargers though.....

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Keep hearing from scouts who've made USC school calls that Darnold is going to stay in school

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) October 2, 2017

I've been saying this since last year. It would literally floor me if this kid left after this year.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I've been saying this since last year. It would literally floor me if this kid left after this year.

He has regressed some and is throwing more picks this year. USCs WRs are also under performing this year. They seem to not be able to shake DBs.

[BryanBusby]

No Darnold, Allen looks bad, Rosen is good but far from a generation talent.

Wait for 18 guyz!

[Quesadilla Joe]

From DJ...

Josh Allen's skills on par with top NFL QBs, despite struggles

Spoiler!

LARAMIE, Wyo. -- I spent Saturday afternoon watching Wyoming and its talented junior quarterback, Josh Allen, take on Texas State. Allen got off to a rough start this season, but he led the Cowboys to a 45-10 win over the Bobcats, completing 14 of 24 passes for 219 yards and a season-high 3 touchdowns.

Leading up to that contest, I spent the week studying all of Allen's game tape from the 2017 season. Here are 5 takeaways after doing my homework on the signal-caller who's been called the best QB prospect since Cam Newton.

1. Allen's production is down but it isn't all his fault. Some observers have suggested Allen's numbers are declining this season because the pressure of being a top-rated player is getting to him. After playing in relative anonymity in 2016, he has been in the spotlight this fall. He was rated as the sixth-best player in the college game in CFB 24/7's preseason rankings. However, his stat line has looked ugly in 3 of the first 5 games of this season (9-19 for 92 yards, TD vs. Hawaii; 9-24, 64 yards, 1 INT vs. Oregon; 23-40, 174 yards, 2 INTs at Iowa).

After studying the tape, I'd place more of the blame for his disappointing production on the talent (or lack thereof) surrounding Allen than on Allen himself. Wyoming lost several key players, including WRs, to the NFL last spring and their replacements have struggled to create separation and catch the ball. I pressed pause on the tape every time Allen would get to the top of his drop, and I struggled to locate options for him to place the football. There just isn't a lot of speed on the field around him.

There were numerous drops by Wyoming receivers in the first four games, but they did catch the ball consistently against Texas State on Saturday. They are starting to get healthier -- one of their top receivers returned last week -- and they expect their top tight end to return shortly. Hopefully, they can build off the success they had Saturday.

2. Allen needs to do a better job of protecting the football. While the drops by his receivers are a major issue, he needs to better secure the ball when he extends plays. Allen needs to learn when to simply give up on a play. He has such a unique ability to buy time with his legs and plenty of confidence in his arm to fit balls into tight windows, but there are times where it's necessary to throw the ball away or take a sack. This is a challenge for a lot of quarterbacks, and it's something he can overcome.

3. Allen's skill set is rare. Allen's arm strength and athletic ability jump off the tape, but you need to see him play live in order to fully appreciate it. I stood on the field during warmups Saturday and watched him effortlessly throw the ball into the back of the end zone from 60-plus yards out. The ball jumps out of his hand. He throws the deep out from the opposite hash as well as any quarterback I've ever scouted. The ball is flat and it gets there in a hurry. He also has the ability to make ridiculous throws on the move to both his right and left. I'd put his skill set (arm strength and athleticism) up against any quarterback in the NFL.

4. He'll be a difficult evaluation for NFL personnel departments. I've been in war-room meetings and I've participated in some intense debates about where to slot players on a draft board. I imagine there will be some spirited chats about Allen whenever he moves on to the next level. For those in his corner, you can sell his skill set and excuse his struggles by blaming them on his supporting cast. For those arguing against him, you can sell the numbers -- low completion percentage (55 percent), turnovers against top competition (TD-INT ratio of 1-8 in 3 career games vs. Power 5 teams), etc.

5. If the opportunity presents itself, Allen should play in the Reese's Senior Bowl. I'm not sure where Allen is in his progress toward earning a college degree, but if he can graduate this fall, it would be a no-brainer to participate in the annual all-star game, should he choose to enter the draft after this season and receive an invite to the game.

This has been a polarizing topic in the past. We had this discussion about Deshaun Watson last season. I thought he should've accepted the Senior Bowl invitation, but I understood his reasoning for declining to play. He had just finished a long season, culminating in an epic finish against Alabama in the title game.

Allen won't be in that same situation. While his Wyoming team will have a chance to earn a spot in a bowl game, he won't have another huge stage to play on this season. If he showed up at the Senior Bowl, he would have an opportunity to play against (and more importantly, with) some of the top players in the country. Every NFL team would see him up close and it's likely that one quarterback-needy team would get a chance to coach him for a week. I think that would be a perfect opportunity for him to make a strong closing argument about his worthiness of a high draft pick.

Bonus takeaway: I know a lot of folks have jumped off the Allen bandwagon due to his struggles this season, but I'm still on board. I've visited with him a couple times and I've come away very impressed with his maturity, passion and intelligence. He's going to impress teams when they get a chance to visit with him. He still has some areas to polish in his game before he's ready to take NFL snaps, but his upside is off the charts.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...&sf118284158=1

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

From DJ...

Josh Allen's skills on par with top NFL QBs, despite struggles

Spoiler!

LARAMIE, Wyo. -- I spent Saturday afternoon watching Wyoming and its talented junior quarterback, Josh Allen, take on Texas State. Allen got off to a rough start this season, but he led the Cowboys to a 45-10 win over the Bobcats, completing 14 of 24 passes for 219 yards and a season-high 3 touchdowns.

Leading up to that contest, I spent the week studying all of Allen's game tape from the 2017 season. Here are 5 takeaways after doing my homework on the signal-caller who's been called the best QB prospect since Cam Newton.

1. Allen's production is down but it isn't all his fault. Some observers have suggested Allen's numbers are declining this season because the pressure of being a top-rated player is getting to him. After playing in relative anonymity in 2016, he has been in the spotlight this fall. He was rated as the sixth-best player in the college game in CFB 24/7's preseason rankings. However, his stat line has looked ugly in 3 of the first 5 games of this season (9-19 for 92 yards, TD vs. Hawaii; 9-24, 64 yards, 1 INT vs. Oregon; 23-40, 174 yards, 2 INTs at Iowa).

After studying the tape, I'd place more of the blame for his disappointing production on the talent (or lack thereof) surrounding Allen than on Allen himself. Wyoming lost several key players, including WRs, to the NFL last spring and their replacements have struggled to create separation and catch the ball. I pressed pause on the tape every time Allen would get to the top of his drop, and I struggled to locate options for him to place the football. There just isn't a lot of speed on the field around him.

There were numerous drops by Wyoming receivers in the first four games, but they did catch the ball consistently against Texas State on Saturday. They are starting to get healthier -- one of their top receivers returned last week -- and they expect their top tight end to return shortly. Hopefully, they can build off the success they had Saturday.

2. Allen needs to do a better job of protecting the football. While the drops by his receivers are a major issue, he needs to better secure the ball when he extends plays. Allen needs to learn when to simply give up on a play. He has such a unique ability to buy time with his legs and plenty of confidence in his arm to fit balls into tight windows, but there are times where it's necessary to throw the ball away or take a sack. This is a challenge for a lot of quarterbacks, and it's something he can overcome.

3. Allen's skill set is rare. Allen's arm strength and athletic ability jump off the tape, but you need to see him play live in order to fully appreciate it. I stood on the field during warmups Saturday and watched him effortlessly throw the ball into the back of the end zone from 60-plus yards out. The ball jumps out of his hand. He throws the deep out from the opposite hash as well as any quarterback I've ever scouted. The ball is flat and it gets there in a hurry. He also has the ability to make ridiculous throws on the move to both his right and left. I'd put his skill set (arm strength and athleticism) up against any quarterback in the NFL.

4. He'll be a difficult evaluation for NFL personnel departments. I've been in war-room meetings and I've participated in some intense debates about where to slot players on a draft board. I imagine there will be some spirited chats about Allen whenever he moves on to the next level. For those in his corner, you can sell his skill set and excuse his struggles by blaming them on his supporting cast. For those arguing against him, you can sell the numbers -- low completion percentage (55 percent), turnovers against top competition (TD-INT ratio of 1-8 in 3 career games vs. Power 5 teams), etc.

5. If the opportunity presents itself, Allen should play in the Reese's Senior Bowl. I'm not sure where Allen is in his progress toward earning a college degree, but if he can graduate this fall, it would be a no-brainer to participate in the annual all-star game, should he choose to enter the draft after this season and receive an invite to the game.

This has been a polarizing topic in the past. We had this discussion about Deshaun Watson last season. I thought he should've accepted the Senior Bowl invitation, but I understood his reasoning for declining to play. He had just finished a long season, culminating in an epic finish against Alabama in the title game.

Allen won't be in that same situation. While his Wyoming team will have a chance to earn a spot in a bowl game, he won't have another huge stage to play on this season. If he showed up at the Senior Bowl, he would have an opportunity to play against (and more importantly, with) some of the top players in the country. Every NFL team would see him up close and it's likely that one quarterback-needy team would get a chance to coach him for a week. I think that would be a perfect opportunity for him to make a strong closing argument about his worthiness of a high draft pick.

Bonus takeaway: I know a lot of folks have jumped off the Allen bandwagon due to his struggles this season, but I'm still on board. I've visited with him a couple times and I've come away very impressed with his maturity, passion and intelligence. He's going to impress teams when they get a chance to visit with him. He still has some areas to polish in his game before he's ready to take NFL snaps, but his upside is off the charts.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...&sf118284158=1

Very reminiscent of a guy name Hackenberg isn't it?

Accuracy issues. Couldn't produce when talent around him decreased. Interceptions. blah blah. Same shit another guy.

[RealSNR]

How is Allen a better talent coming out than Mahomes?

He looks shittier, plays against worse competition. Yet he's this prized QB based on his skill set and Mahomes is "TEXAS TECH AIR RAID DO NOT DRAFT!!!!"

[Quesadilla Joe]

Ask 5: What's best NFL comp for Washington State's Luke Falk?

Spoiler!

Washington State is one of the biggest surprises in college football this season. Led by senior signal-caller Luke Falk, the Cougars are off to a 5-0 start and they are coming off an impressive performance in a 30-27 win over USC.

In that game, most evaluators would agree Falk outplayed Sam Darnold. If not for a handful of dropped passes, the game probably wouldn't have been close, and Falk would be getting more national attention. His performance led me to this week's Ask 5 question: Who's a good comparison for Falk? I reached out to five NFL personnel executives to get their thoughts on the topic. Here are their answers.

Executive 1: Sam Bradford
"He reminds me of Bradford. Similar thin frame, arm strength and accuracy. I think Falk is tougher and has more of the 'it' factor."

Executive 2: Matt Hasselbeck
"He's not quite as athletic but he reminds me of Matt Hasselbeck. He's a smart, tough distributor and he's very accurate."

Executive 3: AJ McCarron
"I see a little of McCarron. He's a second-to-fourth-rounder who will start in time. I like Falk's makeup better."

Executive 4: Jared Goff
"He has the same body type as Goff and they have similar traits. However, Goff has a slightly stronger arm."
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Executive 5: Kirk Cousins
"He reminds me of Cousins both on and off the field. Smart, tough guys with excellent work habits and leadership qualities. They have similar arm strength and accuracy on the field."


Conclusion: This is an interesting collection of names. You can tell that each executive believes Falk will end up being a starter at some point in his NFL career. I compared him to Cousins over the summer but I do see a lot of Hasselbeck in his game.

The more I study Falk, the more I like him. I wouldn't be shocked if he found his way into the first round of the upcoming draft.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...edium=referral

[RealSNR]

I haven't watched any Washington State games in recent memory. Did Mike Leach suddenly turn over a new leaf? Won't his QBs have the same issues and concerns that his Texas Tech QBs did?

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I haven't watched any Washington State games in recent memory. Did Mike Leach suddenly turn over a new leaf? Won't his QBs have the same issues and concerns that his Texas Tech QBs did?

People are confused about Leach's air raid compared to the up tempo styles. Leach's offense can play up tempo but he prefers a snap with under 10 seconds on the play clock. The QB gets two plays: a pass play and a run play and it is his decision to check into either one depending on what he sees the defense doing. He can also audible protections and routes at the line.