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Old 06-16-2018, 04:43 PM  
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So Trump is taking away illegal immigrants children

just because they broke the law.

Well, lets see. If you're an American citizen and you and your spouse are busted for selling drugs what happens to your 5 year old kid?????
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:30 AM   #136
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People do what the culture around them does. In Latin American culture you're an old maid if you don't have a kid by 22. It's not that different than a lot of rural areas of the US. Most of these countries and cultures I've traveled through have very strong family values and bonds - much more so than the US. They can't imagine some bad situation could come up where the father isn't able to provide. But it does sometimes.

I'm welching on the bet because these issues are important to me and I feel like a lot of you are so far in the bubble you never even hear solid arguments from the other side.
I hate bets like that. I'm calling on Donald Trump to pardon you. I'm going to tell him your bet was with Jim Comey.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:30 AM   #137
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Why is Mexico allowing these masses of illegal immigrants to freely travel through their entire country from Central America to invade America?

If Mexico had a functioning southern border to stop the invasion from Central America... problem solved.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:30 AM   #138
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Time to play the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin.
Back to my point about struggling with basic human empathy for the out-group.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:32 AM   #139
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You have no empathy for American Citizens who's wages have been decimated by unfiltered legal and illegal immigration of low skilled workers...
Not to mention the American citizens who have been the victims of crimes... murders, rapes, property crimes, DUI’s, drug crimes, etc. commited by these illegal thugs.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:34 AM   #140
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If this was the Hitler-like humanitarian crisis that democrats tell us it is, they'd be willing to compromise with Trump on immigration legislation that fixes it. But so far they aren't, so how serious can they really be?
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:36 AM   #141
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:37 AM   #142
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Back to my point about struggling with basic human empathy for the out-group.
Congrats on not being able to even recognize there's already 13 million (13 MILLION illegals in the USA already. I guess it's just an anomaly and rare case and there's no understanding of it might just be abusing the system at this point.

Wear a rubber or swallow losers.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:39 AM   #143
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People do what the culture around them does. In Latin American culture you're an old maid if you don't have a kid by 22. It's not that different than a lot of rural areas of the US. Most of these countries and cultures I've traveled through have very strong family values and bonds - much more so than the US. They can't imagine some bad situation could come up where the father isn't able to provide. But it does sometimes.

I'm welching on the bet because these issues are important to me and I feel like a lot of you are so far in the bubble you never even hear solid arguments from the other side.
You really have no idea why you're not taken seriously? Loser
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:44 AM   #144
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America the country we currently live in, in terms of government, laws and the Constitution didn’t exist until it was founded by white European Christians.

The difference between a country and physical land is lost on Liberals when they inevitably bring up the tired “Indians were here first” argument when the subject of illegal immigration is discussed.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:55 AM   #145
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Here are the choices I can think of:

1. Enforce the law, which requires separation of kids from illegal parents.
2. Choose not to enforce the law, which means everyone is released inside the US never to appear in court again.
3. Compromise with Trump and change the law in Congress.

My understanding is that democrats oppose 1 and 3. 2 is the only option left. Can you think of an alternative?
Option 4 - When someone approaches a legal port of entry seeking asylum, allow them to fill out the form and go through the legal process as they used to be allowed to do. If you end up deporting them, fine. No reason to not even allow them to attempt the process so they essentially decide it's worth the risk to jump the fence.

Think of it this way, they probably don't even catch 50% of those that jump the fence. Instead you get 100% of those who try to go through the legal process and you can deport if they don't meet criteria. Sounds idiotic just from a numbers perspective not to choose the Option 4, without even getting into the moral side of it. This isn't about anything but Trump pushing a message.

Instead of hiring more workers to handle these kids prison camps(pretty much what they are), maybe hire some more judges so they can get the review process done quicker to either allow them in or deport them.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:56 AM   #146
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America the country we currently live in, in terms of government, laws and the Constitution didn’t exist until it was founded by white European Christians.

The difference between a country and physical land is lost on Liberals when they inevitably bring up the tired “Indians were here first” argument when the subject of illegal immigration is discussed.
The best part is they think no one has ever picked up a history book on Africa, the Middle East or Europe. I'm done trying to speak logically to libtards

The whole "do as I say, not as I do" mantra has worn itself out. Want to act like an asshole, expect to be treated as such.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:59 AM   #147
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Option 4 - When someone approaches a legal port of entry seeking asylum, allow them to fill out the form and go through the legal process as they used to be allowed to do. If you end up deporting them, fine. No reason to not even allow them to attempt the process so they essentially decide it's worth the risk to jump the fence.

Think of it this way, they probably don't even catch 50% of those that jump the fence. Instead you get 100% of those who try to go through the legal process and you can deport if they don't meet criteria. Sounds idiotic just from a numbers perspective not to choose the Option 4, without even getting into the moral side of it. This isn't about anything but Trump pushing a message.

Instead of hiring more workers to handle these kids prison camps(pretty much what they are), maybe hire some more judges so they can get the review process done quicker to either allow them in or deport them.
Yeah, sure. Increased processing capacity would be an option, but that belongs as part of a legislative fix in 3.
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America the country we currently live in, in terms of government, laws and the Constitution didn’t exist until it was founded by white European Christians.

The difference between a country and physical land is lost on Liberals when they inevitably bring up the tired “Indians were here first” argument when the subject of illegal immigration is discussed.
Yep. The guys name isn’t Running Deer because Running Deer is gone. John Smith mounted his head on the wall in the course of colonizing our country.

The only way that false analogy holds up is if the illegals were coming here to openly confront us in a bid to take over our land. It would fail miserably but at least you could respect them.
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Yeah, sure. Increased processing capacity would be an option, but that belongs as part of a legislative fix in 3.
You don't need a legislative fix to put more judges in place just like they don't need one to open up Tent Cities on military bases or hire more workers. Worried about saving money, this is how you do it quickly without traumatizing kids.
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By the way, there are legislative fix options already out there, Trump is holding them up for his wall. All he cares about here is getting a win, and traumatizing kids in the process is perfectly fine to him as long as he gets it.
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