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They come here and the government has some understanding and talks with them, has ships and bodies, and knows something about what they are. 25 16.23%
They come here, and the government investigates sightings and keeps secrets and has evidence but they don't know much. 31 20.13%
They exist and they come here but no one (including government) has any solid physical evidence or shocking secrets. 11 7.14%
They exist and are intelligent and could come here but they don't. 18 11.69%
Intelligent life exists in some form but can't come here because of distance/technology challenges. 54 35.06%
Something exists out there somewhere but it isn't intelligent. 8 5.19%
There are no life forms anywhere else. 7 4.55%
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Old 05-30-2015, 07:46 PM  
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What is your stance on aliens?

I am curious to see where everyone stands on this. Asking about a stance on UFOs could be a different topic with different options so feel to give your thoughts on that as well.
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Old 06-06-2015, 01:11 PM   #331
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Well, I said that because History Channel had this program on last night about a former US intel guy, who claimed how they tried to reverse engineer some alien technology found from a UFO crash at Roswell.
If we did have recovered technology from Roswell and/or other crashes (and I'm not saying we don't), I don't believe there's any way we could have reverse-engineered any of it. Not in the 40s, and not today. Assuming it's actually an extraterrestrial device, and not something originating from a species descended from a lost period of history on this planet. We're talking about a completely alien technology, absolutely nothing about it even remotely recognizable, whether we're talking the mechanics, the controls, the language, or the science behind it. It really would operate like magic to us, and we'd have absolutely no way to decipher any of it, unless we've had some kind of help. Which I just don't believe. Otherwise we just don't have any frame of reference.
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Old 06-06-2015, 01:25 PM   #332
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If we did have recovered technology from Roswell and/or other crashes (and I'm not saying we don't), I don't believe there's any way we could have reverse-engineered any of it. Not in the 40s, and not today. Assuming it's actually an extraterrestrial device, and not something originating from a species descended from a lost period of history on this planet. We're talking about a completely alien technology, absolutely nothing about it even remotely recognizable, whether we're talking the mechanics, the controls, the language, or the science behind it. It really would operate like magic to us, and we'd have absolutely no way to decipher any of it, unless we've had some kind of help. Which I just don't believe. Otherwise we just don't have any frame of reference.
But what if said alien species comes from a planet that's very similar or even identical to earth but from some other solar system, one w/ the same atomic energy has same or similar metals/minerals/elements etc? I mean we're able to see only a very small fraction of what actually exists out there. We've been conditioned on what we "think" Aliens are, what they look like etc from mostly Hollywood. Not saying i necessarily disagree w/ what you say, you may be even right..but at the end of the day there's just a lot of unknown and/or the federal govt is holding back classified info and we do in fact know a lot more than we thought.
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Old 06-06-2015, 02:55 PM   #333
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But what if said alien species comes from a planet that's very similar or even identical to earth but from some other solar system, one w/ the same atomic energy has same or similar metals/minerals/elements etc? I mean we're able to see only a very small fraction of what actually exists out there. We've been conditioned on what we "think" Aliens are, what they look like etc from mostly Hollywood. Not saying i necessarily disagree w/ what you say, you may be even right..but at the end of the day there's just a lot of unknown and/or the federal govt is holding back classified info and we do in fact know a lot more than we thought.
I know, right? We don't know what aliens look like. For all we know, there could be a race of flying peanut butter and banana sandwiches.
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Old 06-06-2015, 03:21 PM   #334
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Hollywood has almost exclusively portrayed aliens as hominoid or humanoid. I think that's part of the issue: popular thought reflects the idea of life as we know it. Same issue that religion has in trying to make a truly alien concept like a deity think and act human, as if we could understand its actions and motives. Human nature. I get that. Of course we're in God's image. Of course extraterrestrial life would be just like us. That's what we're trained to believe, at least in the west. Humans are special. The center of everything. Whereas I think it's possible if not likely that life exists in a myriad of forms, forms we might not even recognize as even being life. As we know it.
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Old 06-06-2015, 05:42 PM   #335
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If we did have recovered technology from Roswell and/or other crashes (and I'm not saying we don't), I don't believe there's any way we could have reverse-engineered any of it. Not in the 40s, and not today. Assuming it's actually an extraterrestrial device, and not something originating from a species descended from a lost period of history on this planet. We're talking about a completely alien technology, absolutely nothing about it even remotely recognizable, whether we're talking the mechanics, the controls, the language, or the science behind it. It really would operate like magic to us, and we'd have absolutely no way to decipher any of it, unless we've had some kind of help. Which I just don't believe. Otherwise we just don't have any frame of reference.
According to Colonel Philip J. Corso (Ret.), we did exactly that on some of the items found at this Roswell crash. You'd have to watch the program on H2. It comes from FOIA declassified documents. "He [Corso] tells us how he spearheaded the Army’s reverse-engineering project that led to today’s integrated circuit chips, fiber optics, lasers, and super-tenacity fibers..."

The govt did not want the Russians to get any of this information, so that was a key reason it was kept secret.

They had other men on the program refuting some of of the claims by Corso, which I found plausible as well, since technology advances don't happen singularly by one individual, but can happen simultaneously or build upon other technology needed first which is what the other man said. Some things were coming along certain lines of development already which the other guy argued.

However, I found Corso's claim about one find from the crash that helped support the development of fiber optics since the alien craft had no wiring but fiber optics. Only the light. at that time here, in our fiber optics was unable to turn a corner. The sheathing over the fibers found at the Roswell crash, however, enabled the light to turn corners. Voila! That allowed fiber optics to become commercially viable.

I don't see that as any different than needing the development of other technology first in order for newer technology to develop or be cracked to move forward. Just in this case the source isn't from anyone here.

Here's his book on amazon. It's not the 1997 one which the program was based on...but it has even more in it than the earlier book per the page in the link. ( Don't know why I got what appears to be some Germanic language page. It is what came up.)
http://www.amazon.de/The-Day-After-R.../dp/067101756X
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Old 06-06-2015, 05:46 PM   #336
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Weird, that I just saw that program on H2 about Corso the other night since this thread.
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It's so ****ing funny Corso is such a ****ing clown. I wonder if he had brain damage from combat or was just interested in making headlines and $ from the sheepies.

Just to check, I googled every alien technology he claimed he seeded to "industry" and all of them were already invented before Roswell. Transistor since the 20s, fiber optics in the 1880s, the IC "chip" in its earliest form was just a few transistors on a tiny board.

It's an insult to the inventors of those technologies to try to pawn this off to alien technologies. I'm not sure how uneducated you would have to be to believe in absurd claims like his without ever checking them.
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Hollywood has almost exclusively portrayed aliens as hominoid or humanoid. I think that's part of the issue: popular thought reflects the idea of life as we know it. Same issue that religion has in trying to make a truly alien concept like a deity think and act human, as if we could understand its actions and motives. Human nature. I get that. Of course we're in God's image. Of course extraterrestrial life would be just like us. That's what we're trained to believe, at least in the west. Humans are special. The center of everything. Whereas I think it's possible if not likely that life exists in a myriad of forms, forms we might not even recognize as even being life. As we know it.
No arrogance there. None at all.
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Organic material in comets plus the Drake equation leads me to believe it is highly, highly likely that there are other advanced lifeforms both within this galaxy and others.
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Organic material in comets plus the Drake equation leads me to believe it is highly, highly likely that there are other advanced lifeforms both within this galaxy and others.
Considering how big the universe is. Even with extremely low odds there has to be life on other planets, just by the sheer number of planets.

Now, if this life is intelligent and if it is intelligent is it reachable even for communication is another questions all together.
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Organic material in comets plus the Drake equation leads me to believe it is highly, highly likely that there are other advanced lifeforms both within this galaxy and others.
I completely agree with this. Considering that there are over 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone, and there are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe, it's ridiculous for anyone to think that advanced lifeforms evolved only on one planet.

Of course, whether or not any of these other life forms have managed to travel to earth is an entirely different proposition altogether. I see no reason to think that they wouldn't. But if they do, it's pretty unlikely that they'd choose to hide in shadows, kidnap an earthling every now and then for some anal probing, and reveal themselves only to a select few.

That's why I mock and ridicule anyone who insists that a few unexplained lights in the sky are definitive proof that aliens have arrived. Any reasonable person would require a helluva lot more proof than that. Show me a living alien and I'll be on board. Show me a dead alien or a space ship, and I'll be on board. But don't point to some lights in the sky that move in a way you don't understand and claim it's proof of aliens. It isn't.

By the way, this rant isn't directed at Hamas. It's directed at guys who are impressed by light shows and the utterances of government officials. We have a couple of those in this thread.
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Considering how big the universe is. Even with extremely low odds there has to be life on other planets, just by the sheer number of planets.

Now, if this life is intelligent and if it is intelligent is it reachable even for communication is another questions all together.
The Drake equation is meant to ascertain the probability of advanced civilizations.
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