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Old 05-21-2017, 10:20 PM  
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:56 AM   #46
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:03 AM   #47
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How is it private if the media knows?
What? I mean, in this case it wasn't the media - the agencies themselves put out a statement. But in general, you rely on quality sources. That's how journalism and good reporting has worked for decades.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:03 AM   #48
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Since when is reporting more evidence about a story "sad?"

Oh, I know, when it starts unraveling your side's story of "Russians."

Thank goodness, "sad" is pure opinion.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:05 AM   #49
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I don't know why Fox can't report "a well placed government source said...", but we're supposed to believe that when it comes from the New York Times or the Washington post.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:06 AM   #50
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I didn't vote for him but do you think it's right for intelligent agencies to declare war on the president? No it's not. It's a sign government has gotten too big.
And corrupt.

Meanwhile Silock ignores the track record of those agencies when put up against the track record of WikiLeaks—which has never been wrong since it started.

FBI, CIA haven't always been right about everything. No govt agency is.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:06 AM   #51
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17 of our intelligence agencies disagree with your assessment, and I find it incredibly hard to believe they're all in on the partisan conspiracy to make Trump look bad. Just because we aren't privy to much of the evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

The "Fact" That 17 Intelligence Agencies Confirmed Russia is Behind the Email Hacks Isn’t Actually…A "Fact"
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:09 AM   #52
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You do realize that NOT A SINGLE one these "17 intelligence agencies" have been conclusive or in agreement on who, why, and how this was done?

The media took beliefs and innuendos and created their own narrative to soothe their own failings about Hillary not winning. They look as bad if not worse then her.

The REAL belief is that Russia believed Hillary was going to win and they wanted her to be severely weakened and they also played both sides in the event Trump won they had people like Flynn as a patsy.

They still have NO VALID 100% CERTAINTY that is was Russia but all signs point to them.
I never said there was univeral agreement on everything you mentioned. It's definitely complicated, but their goal was absolutely to undermine Hillary's candidacy and I don't think there's any question about that. They also might have interest in hurting Trump's Presidency now. Their ultimate goal, in my view, is to create havoc among Western democracies.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:13 AM   #53
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:16 AM   #54
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You never answered my question from earlier. Did you fall for Pizzagate? You did, didn't you?
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:22 AM   #55
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I never said there was univeral agreement on everything you mentioned. It's definitely complicated, but their goal was absolutely to undermine Hillary's candidacy and I don't think there's any question about that. They also might have interest in hurting Trump's Presidency now. Their ultimate goal, in my view, is to create havoc among Western democracies.
I will agree with you that they wanted to undermine and interfere with Hillary's campaign and they got a gift in John Podesta falling for a phishing scam to get hacked.

They tried to get into the RNC as well.

The one thing they DID NOT due is change one single vote in any voting booths and didn't change the election. Hillary did that to herself with her horrible campaigning and in some cases like Mich and PA, the LACK of campaigning.

Do you realize she came within inches of losing Minnesota?
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:29 AM   #56
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I will agree with you that they wanted to undermine and interfere with Hillary's campaign and they got a gift in John Podesta falling for a phishing scam to get hacked.

They tried to get into the RNC as well.

The one thing they DID NOT due is change one single vote in any voting booths and didn't change the election. Hillary did that to herself with her horrible campaigning and in some cases like Mich and PA, the LACK of campaigning.

Do you realize she came within inches of losing Minnesota?
She won MN by just shy of 45k votes. But popular vote and what not is what we will hear
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:30 AM   #57
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17 of our intelligence agencies disagree with your assessment, and I find it incredibly hard to believe they're all in on the partisan conspiracy to make Trump look bad. Just because we aren't privy to much of the evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
LOL...17 agencies that all report to, at the time, James Clapper.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:35 AM   #58
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LOL...17 agencies that all report to, at the time, James Clapper.
A known liar.

Per a former CIA who still has contacts inside those agencies, not all stand with that opinion. It's coming from the leadership mostly, who are the black hats. There are white hats in the rank and file.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:36 AM   #59
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The one thing they DID NOT due is change one single vote in any voting booths and didn't change the election. Hillary did that to herself with her horrible campaigning and in some cases like Mich and PA, the LACK of campaigning.

Do you realize she came within inches of losing Minnesota?
How can you say people weren't influenced by the release of the emails and the spread of fake news by Russian propogandists? Sure, nobody can know for certain what effect it had, but it's not hard to envision it being the tipping point for some voters to either swing for Trump or not show up to cast their vote.

Obviously she ran a pretty bad campaign as a whole, but she still won the popular vote by almost 3 million. And while you're correct that she barely won Minnesota, Trump won by a combined 80k votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA. It could very easily have gone the other way. But I'm not here to relitigate the election.
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I'm gonna remain skeptical of Kim Dot com.....till hard evidence comes out. I think he is full of shit trying for the spotlight here
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