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Old 03-03-2017, 04:41 PM  
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The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The basic formula for every breaking Trump/Russia story is essentially as follows:

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.




5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.




6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.




8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.




9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.

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Old 03-04-2017, 09:17 AM   #76
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It now appears that Obama spent the last two months spying on Trump and Russians, including bugging phones at Trump Tower through the several attempts at the FISA courts.

This is unbelievable and really sedition.
They should lock him up...
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:20 PM   #77
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This is the story that will actually break. The Obama Adm. got a FISA order to wiretap Trump's Campaign surrogates and server in the Trump Tower. That is scary abuse of power... and then you look at the decisions made in the final days regarding this and it indicates he is trying to protect his legacy above his country. This is why I am so confident that nothing was found or it would already be all over the place...
As I said last night, and Trump tweeted about today, the above story is going to Dwarf anything else. They used false pretense or "due diligence" to get the wiretap approved. They found nothing, so the Obama Administration left a bunch of bogus intel everywhere to muddy the waters... Huge story and the Dems will be destroyed.

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Old 03-04-2017, 08:43 PM   #78
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:48 PM   #79
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As I said last night, and Trump tweeted about today, the above story is going to Dwarf anything else. They used false pretense or "due diligence" to get the wiretap approved. They found nothing, so the Obama Administration left a bunch of bogus until everywhere to muddy the waters... Huge story and the Dems will be destroyed.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:19 PM   #80
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It depends on the context and whether you're forthright about it or not. The more they deny, and then we learn that they lied, the shadier things seem to any outside observer.

Take this meeting between Kislyak and Kushner/Flynn that went down at Trump Tower. They paraded every asshole that wandered by in front of the cameras and yet somehow thought that they needed to sneak Kislyak in the back door.

If it's so proper for all these meetings to happen, why do they keep lying about it? Why do they keep pushing so far back on this stuff?
That's a good point...all sorts of meetings and calls with other world leaders we know about and were publicized by Trump. Even a call with Taiwan's president, in conflict with decades of US policy.

But meetings with Russians...those happen and they feel the need to actually lie about it. Nothing odd about that at all.
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:45 AM   #81
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I'm not a Trump supporter and have been reduced to gadfly now that he's the head of the party, but it doesn't take a genius to see that we are in uncharted territory.

A handful of nutty voices on the fringes of the political spectrum took up the birther nonsense. This wasn't the party and its own operatives all marching in time. The Republican party opposed him tooth and nail on the floor of Congress and in their districts at home but there was no #notmypresident. He got his confirmations. He got his EOs. He was opposed vehemently but the election results were respected and he was treated as legitimate. The Republicans stopped him by winning midterm elections.

It's a desperation strategy for a DNC that is in disarray and refuses to adapt. The voters sang them a dirge, but they did not mourn.


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Old 03-05-2017, 01:14 AM   #82
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Some did on the Birther issue, including Trump that turned out to be false. The same applies here. The accusations of collusion with Russia lack any valid evidence, however, with a complicit MSM, it I getting pushed 24/7 to make Trump illegitimate. So my question to you: If the MSM was chasing the rabbit on Obama's birth certificate, making it an issue 24/7, do you think it would have taken over 3 years for him to release it?

You are right, both sides tried it, one just has a willing co-conspirator with the MSM.
If you are the most watched cable news channel and one of the most listened to nationally syndicated radio programs, how exactly are you not part of MSM?

Breitbart is in the top most trafficked sites on the Internet, along with Drudge .


Conservatives, Republicans, etc haven't been able to get their message out because of the liberal elite media conspiracy.

Okay, you keep banging your drum.

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Old 03-05-2017, 06:47 AM   #83
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obvious photoshop is really bad...
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obvious photoshop is really bad...
Yeah, good try, but you don't even need to zoom to spot that.

Plus, if that photo was authentic the sycophant media would have had a whole week devoted to it. As it stands you can only find that picture on wingnut sites like dailykos
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Bluth has posted that several times, and was Snoped on it, but keeps on going with it.



He's a partisan hack.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:53 AM   #86
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If you are the most watched cable news channel and one of the most listened to nationally syndicated radio programs, how exactly are you not part of MSM?

Breitbart is in the top most trafficked sites on the Internet, along with Drudge .


Conservatives, Republicans, etc haven't been able to get their message out because of the liberal elite media conspiracy.

Okay, you keep banging your drum.

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I will agree if Fox replaces CNN on every airport monitor and train station in every airport terminal or train station in our country. If the NYT, or Wapo, two largest print media weren't quoted by every MSM outlet as fact....Please.
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This is what happen when Rosie's mail-order seed attempts to use Photoshop.
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Bluth has posted that several times, and was Snoped on it, but keeps on going with it.



He's a partisan hack.
Plus his preferred candidate Bernie Sanders who says America should be more like China. He ain't just a hack but a red.
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I will agree if Fox replaces CNN on every airport monitor and train station in every airport terminal or train station in our country. If the NYT, or Wapo, two largest print media weren't quoted by every MSM outlet as fact....Please.
I see Fox on in plenty of places you mentioned. Besides, once again, the viewership numbers clearly illustrate that they are very much part of the MSM for the good or bad of it.

You can criticize the NYT and WaPo. No one is perfect or right all the time. Failing to criticize Fox, Breitbart, Rush, etc, for a laundry list of far more incidents of irresponsible fact checking and skewed reporting is well established.

I'm definitely not some CNN cheerleader. I can certainly find criticism of some of the WaPo's content.

Watch the PBS Newshour. That is excellence in news broadcasting.
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Plus his preferred candidate Bernie Sanders who says America should be more like China. He ain't just a hack but a red.
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