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Old 03-03-2017, 04:41 PM  
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The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The basic formula for every breaking Trump/Russia story is essentially as follows:

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.




5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.




6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.




8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.




9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.

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Old 03-03-2017, 07:32 PM   #61
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Obama has established a base in DC. Valerie Jarret has moved in. He's been vocal about his intention to be a voice in this process. Meanwhile, after 8 years of silence, Bush has started to criticize a sitting president. Meanwhile the MSM has pumped out #FakeNews against a sitting president non-stop since he got elected. Meanwhile, the loser of the last election has ramped up her campaign again...

This isn't normal.
The exact methods are new, the strategy is old. I'm not saying you can't be outraged by it. I'm just saying you look foolish in doing so.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:33 PM   #62
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It depends on the context and whether you're forthright about it or not. The more they deny, and then we learn that they lied, the shadier things seem to any outside observer.

Take this meeting between Kislyak and Kushner/Flynn that went down at Trump Tower. They paraded every asshole that wandered by in front of the cameras and yet somehow thought that they needed to sneak Kislyak in the back door.

If it's so proper for all these meetings to happen, why do they keep lying about it? Why do they keep pushing so far back on this stuff?
It has been reported that many folks wanted to come through the back door instead of through the media frenzy of the lobby. Also, it was 10 minute meeting. Do you think if something Nefarious was going on they would meet for 10 minutes in the Trump Tower?
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:36 PM   #63
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:37 PM   #64
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The exact methods are new, the strategy is old. I'm not saying you can't be outraged by it. I'm just saying you look foolish in doing so.
Let me put it this way, Dems cried that the Bush Presidency was a overreaction to the Clintons, then the Rebs claimed the Obama Presidency was an overreaction to W, and now we're on to Trump.

Don't you think this "war-like" mentality, which you seem to enjoy, is what each side prefer you to be? I mean, does anyone really see "common ground"? If there is, it get little pub. But, by all means, rail if it makes you feel better. I don't know how this looks anything other than predictable.
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The exact methods are new, the strategy is old. I'm not saying you can't be outraged by it. I'm just saying you look foolish in doing so.
Outraged? I'm watching the Democrat party self destruct while they imagine they are striking mortal blows. I'm not outraged. I'm satisfied. This whole flailing coup effort has got the signature of a community organizer written all over it.
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:06 PM   #67
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Outraged? I'm watching the Democrat party self destruct while they imagine they are striking mortal blows. I'm not outraged. I'm satisfied. This whole flailing coup effort has got the signature of a community organizer written all over it.
This is the story that will actually break. The Obama Adm. got a FISA order to wiretap Trump's Campaign surrogates and server in the Trump Tower. That is scary abuse of power... and then you look at the decisions made in the final days regarding this and it indicates he is trying to protect his legacy above his country. This is why I am so confident that nothing was found or it would already be all over the place...
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:31 PM   #68
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Yes, Republicans would never engage in such tactics.

Birthers
Obamacare
Benghazi
Emails

Nice selective memory, but hey, whatever makes your echo chamber sleep better at night.
Birther was started by Hillary.

Actually, Hillary was the original culprit in each instance. America dodged a bullet.
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The Democrats' strategy to oppose Trump in the immediate term is already at sea. This is obviously just a snapshot of the day-to-day.

The strategy is to continually cast him as illegitimate - to claim that he cheated, that the election was hacked, he didn't really win, we don't have to respect him or the office or the political process, he shouldn't be there anyway, he must be unseated, etc.

This strategy has two main benefits. If they cast him as illegitimate, then any means to oppose him may be justified, no matter how ferocious or destructive, since he shouldn't be there anyway. They hope this will provide cover in the minds of voters for the slash and burn tactics they will use for the rest of his term.

The Democrats won't usually have the votes to stop him, so they have no real options besides this. They can't work within the system to oppose him as the loyal opposition of the past because that "legitimizes" or "normalizes" him and counteracts their narrative.

Second, pushing the narrative that he is illegitimate shines light away from how deep and wide the Democrats' election losses have been since 2008, how thin their bench is, and the fact that their party is in a state of disarray.

Trump's election is largely a reflection of how broken the two major parties are, but at least the GOP finds itself with a standard bearer. For the Democrats, 2016 starts people to ask questions that the party leadership, which resists all change, do not want being asked. It's important for them to keep people's eye off the ball until they can gather their composure again.

The miscalculation in all of this is that the average voter's BS detector is set on a hair-trigger these days, and all these prefabricated controversies that come stamped with two-week expiration dates just blend into one another. Voters don't trust the left's media voices any longer, so their ability to control the narrative is becoming pretty limited. We saw that with Hillary's political demise.

If Hillary had won, the GOP would be in just as bad a state. But she didn't, and the Democrats don't seem to want to stop rowing in a circle on the river Denial anytime soon.
All of this makes sense to me, except that if they stick together in the Senate, the democrats can still block any legislation the GOP tries to pass (except the reconciliation stuff and appointments).
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It now appears that Obama spent the last two months spying on Trump and Russians, including bugging phones at Trump Tower through the several attempts at the FISA courts.

This is unbelievable and really sedition.
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What if I call them just to tell them to go **** themselves with phone poles.
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It now appears that Obama spent the last two months spying on Trump and Russians, including bugging phones at Trump Tower through the several attempts at the FISA courts.

This is unbelievable and really sedition.
Yep!


Talking to prevent war is a crime now.

When the left (including some NeoCons) fixate on Russia, they clearly have a subversive mission.

I wonder if any evidence from this is invalid in court? The left loves using the tossing of evidence.

Also, there are moles inside campaigns too. Not just to spy but to do things or get others to do things that will get the straight players in trouble.
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