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Old 03-03-2017, 04:41 PM  
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The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

The basic formula for every breaking Trump/Russia story is essentially as follows:

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.




5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.




6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.




8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.




9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.

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Old 03-03-2017, 06:19 PM   #16
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I completely agree, but they LIED about it. Russian hacking was a major issue. If they want to reveal the contents of those meetings under oath, then do it and be done with it. Instead, they are ACTING like they have something to hide. At best, its a bad strategy. At worse, well, we're talking treason.
Sessions recusing himself was an awful move IMO, he very clearly explained the misunderstanding he had about Frankens question

It was a no win scenario... dont recuse and the dems hair is on fire, recuse and the dems hair is still on fire with the added benefit of being able to say "see, he is guilty!"

Loretta didnt recuse herself after meeting with Bill to talk about "grandchildren"... so it was a terrible move for him to do it, reps are awful about showing spine sometimes

Treason? lol... when anything substantive comes out of this, let us know
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:21 PM   #17
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No it wasn't. This is a lie.

Seth Rich leaked the documents and they made an example of him for it.
No its not, It is accepted by the US intelligence community and Trump has already admitted as much. They're currently doing it to European elections as we speak.
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Sessions recusing himself was an awful move IMO, he very clearly explained the misunderstanding he had about Frankens question

It was a no win scenario... dont recuse and the dems hair is on fire, recuse and the dems hair is still on fire with the added benefit of being able to say "see, he is guilty!"

Loretta didnt recuse herself after meeting with Bill to talk about "grandchildren"... so it was a terrible move for him to do it, reps are awful about showing spine sometimes

Treason? lol... when anything substantive comes out of this, let us know

I think Trump wants to get Dana Boente in the game and has been looking for the right opening. Just before he left office Obama tried to shelve Dana Boente. Trump put him back in play. Sessions recusing himself does just that.

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Old 03-03-2017, 06:23 PM   #19
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Sessions recusing himself was an awful move IMO, he very clearly explained the misunderstanding he had about Frankens question

It was a no win scenario... dont recuse and the dems hair is on fire, recuse and the dems hair is still on fire with the added benefit of being able to say "see, he is guilty!"

Loretta didnt recuse herself after meeting with Bill to talk about "grandchildren"... so it was a terrible move for him to do it, reps are awful about showing spine sometimes

Treason? lol... when anything substantive comes out of this, let us know
IMO, the two are unrelated. Sessions recused himself of investigations regarding the campaign because he was apart of it. That was proper. I think some Dems overplayed that calling it a form of admission of guilt.
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No its not, It is accepted by the US intelligence community and Trump has already admitted as much. They're currently doing it to European elections as we speak.
More lies.
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Also, I was painting a spectrum of bad strategy at one end and treason on the other. There are obviously many stops between those ends.
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More lies.
I don't know how to have a reasonable conversation with you when you react in a childish manner like this. Are you say 17 agencies didn't conclude that? Are you saying Trump didn't for all intents acknowlege that? are you saying it isn't happening in Europe?
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I don't know how to have a reasonable conversation with you when you react in a childish manner like this. Are you say 17 agencies didn't conclude that? Are you saying Trump didn't for all intents acknowlege that? are you saying it isn't happening in Europe?

I know that 17 agencies made allegations that they have produced exactly zero evidence for. These lies have not held up to scrutiny. Simply parroting the 17 agencies line doesn't actually do anything to help your case.

I get it. You people don't like Trump. That doesn't mean that we should just believe "17 agencies" who aren't able to produce anything that backs up their spurious claims.
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The Democrats' strategy to oppose Trump in the immediate term is already at sea. This is obviously just a snapshot of the day-to-day.

The strategy is to continually cast him as illegitimate - to claim that he cheated, that the election was hacked, he didn't really win, we don't have to respect him or the office or the political process, he shouldn't be there anyway, he must be unseated, etc.

This strategy has two main benefits. If they cast him as illegitimate, then any means to oppose him may be justified, no matter how ferocious or destructive, since he shouldn't be there anyway. They hope this will provide cover in the minds of voters for the slash and burn tactics they will use for the rest of his term.

The Democrats won't usually have the votes to stop him, so they have no real options besides this. They can't work within the system to oppose him as the loyal opposition of the past because that "legitimizes" or "normalizes" him and counteracts their narrative.

Second, pushing the narrative that he is illegitimate shines light away from how deep and wide the Democrats' election losses have been since 2008, how thin their bench is, and the fact that their party is in a state of disarray.

Trump's election is largely a reflection of how broken the two major parties are, but at least the GOP finds itself with a standard bearer. For the Democrats, 2016 starts people to ask questions that the party leadership, which resists all change, do not want being asked. It's important for them to keep people's eye off the ball until they can gather their composure again.

The miscalculation in all of this is that the average voter's BS detector is set on a hair-trigger these days, and all these prefabricated controversies that come stamped with two-week expiration dates just blend into one another. Voters don't trust the left's media voices any longer, so their ability to control the narrative is becoming pretty limited. We saw that with Hillary's political demise.

If Hillary had won, the GOP would be in just as bad a state. But she didn't, and the Democrats don't seem to want to stop rowing in a circle on the river Denial anytime soon.
OK, and are you saying the Rebs never tried to cast Obama as illegitmate? All I'm saying is, if you want to complain about it fine, but don't do it in a vacuum. Don't imply this is something we've never seen before. The blueprint was already there.
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I know that 17 agencies made allegations that they have produced exactly zero evidence for. These lies have not held up to scrutiny. Simply parroting the 17 agencies line doesn't actually do anything to help your case.

I get it. You people don't like Trump. That doesn't mean that we should just believe "17 agencies" who aren't able to produce anything that backs up their spurious claims.
Then you are as idiotic and conspiratorial as your OP.
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I don't know how to have a reasonable conversation with you when you react in a childish manner like this. Are you say 17 agencies didn't conclude that? Are you saying Trump didn't for all intents acknowlege that? are you saying it isn't happening in Europe?
There is no doubt that Russian's interests would be served to see more anti-establishment, anti-EU, [generally] pro-Russian populist come to power in the EU.

So why in the Hell wouldn't the Russians be trying to interfere in EU elections?



Oh right, it's not part of the correct narrative so it's just so much more fake news. Carry on...
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Then you are as idiotic and conspiratorial as your OP.
You're the one making the tin foil case that Jeff Sessions is working with the Russians to undermine America.

I'm not sure what solid ground you think you're standing on, but it doesn't exists.
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Then you are as idiotic and conspiratorial as your OP.
Let me ask you a question:

Do you believe that Trump hired russian prostitutes to piss in a bed that the Obama's slept in?
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I get it. You people don't like Trump. That doesn't mean that we should just believe "17 agencies" who aren't able to produce anything that backs up their spurious claims.
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