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Old 01-05-2006, 12:15 PM  
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What's going to happen to our offense when AS, Solari, and company are gone?

Just curious. Looking at all the news it looks like CP is going to clean house! With Vermiel's departure he has decided not to continue with the direction the team was going. Our offense has been in the Top 3 the last 5 years and our D appears to have improved and both would continue to improve next year with some additional talent added either through free agency and the upcoming draft.

With the upcoming massive changes in our coaching staff, it could prove costly next year to the Chiefs resulting in the team taking a large step back despite the talent pool we have.

New coach, new philosophy, new staff, new everything! The lack of consistency could be very detrimental to the players.

Promoting AS to the HC seems to be the smartest move right now and it will give us the best chance to be very competitive next year and beyond. If we don't choose this direction, we could see more frustration for another 5 years!

This is not the time to pull the rip cord. Why give up draft picks now when what we need most is good young potential franchise players to develop for the future?

Thoughts?
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:06 PM   #31
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LJ piled up the yards when Roaf was on the sidelines. And when AS decided to finally run play action when Roaf was out, Green didn't get killed.

Offense will be fine. Defense already sucked.

And FWIW, I still don't think we can beat Indy, Cincy, and a couple of other teams in the playoffs in the AFC on the road this season. And I don't think we are a player away from beating them on the road next season with the same staff we had.
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:11 PM   #32
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LJ piled up the yards when Roaf was on the sidelines. And when AS decided to finally run play action when Roaf was out, Green didn't get killed.

Offense will be fine. Defense already sucked.

And FWIW, I still don't think we can beat Indy, Cincy, and a couple of other teams in the playoffs in the AFC on the road this season. And I don't think we are a player away from beating them on the road next season with the same staff we had.
Totally disagree! I think we could be very dangerous right now if we were in the playoffs. There are many teams grateful that we are not.

Don't ****** up this team by bringing in a whole new coaching staff and philosophy. This is not the time to panic. Stay the course don't give up draft picks keep improving! Promote AS now!!!!!!!
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:11 PM   #33
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A case can be made that Vermeil had nothing to do with this offense. His offense was terrible until Martz got there and took it from near dead last to #1 (by the way, that's what a good coordinator does -- has immediate impact, unlike assuming we have to give Gun 3-4 years to build a respectable D). Saunders, working under Martz learned the offense, and it's Saunders not Vermeil who is the offensive guru.

Again, I am not saying that this is true. Martz was unable to maintain the high-powered offense in St. Loius more than two years I think, before it returned to earth.

The whole Vermeil, Martz, Saunders thing is interesting. How much of the credit goes to Vermeil, and how much goes to Martz/Saunders?
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:13 PM   #34
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AS deserves a shot. You can't evaluate him as an HC until he actually is one. You can't say that Martz didn't work out so that means AS won't. By the way Martz record as an HC was not too shabby. I certainly would be happy if AS could equal it if not improve upon it. Martz will be a HC for some team in the very near future probably starting next season!
You are not serious, are you? Only reason Martz had some success following the SB was that Vermeil left him with the whole SB team intact. Usually it takes about 2 seasons before a HC can incorporate his own philosophy into the player's mind set (thus destroy everything they used to know) - and that Martz did in the last 2 seasons. Rumor has it that Martz might get a good look by Al Davis. Yippee...I am loving that idea! That means KC will continue to own those Faders for years to come with an idiot for a HC.

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Old 01-05-2006, 01:52 PM   #35
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Totally disagree! I think we could be very dangerous right now if we were in the playoffs. There are many teams grateful that we are not.

Don't ****** up this team by bringing in a whole new coaching staff and philosophy. This is not the time to panic. Stay the course don't give up draft picks keep improving! Promote AS now!!!!!!!
We beat Miami and Oakland on the road. If the games were in Arrowhead, we might be dangerous. But not on the road. And as the #6 seed, we would have been on the road.
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Old 01-05-2006, 02:11 PM   #36
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We beat Miami and Oakland on the road. If the games were in Arrowhead, we might be dangerous. But not on the road. And as the #6 seed, we would have been on the road.

I respectfully disagree. Chiefs right now are dangerous period on the road or otherwise.
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:07 PM   #37
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Personally what I would like to see is the following:

1. Hire a youngish assistant coach, preferably defensive, from one of the playoff teams.
2. Install a Joe Gibbs style of offense with a little more punch in the passing game.
3. Draft at least one large body DT and switch to a 3-4 with Bell on the inside.

This would allow us to grow our own coach with our own identity rather then the former coach of (fill in team name). Offensively we're a power run team. AS and DV may not want to admit it but we are. Lets drop the pretense and be a power run team. This would also take the emphasis away from a weakness (WR) and put it on a strength (RB/TE). Our defense is best suited for a 3-4 except for the Dline. Since the Dline also isn't well suited for a 4-3 let's make the switch. This would also benefit Siavii who could be a good nose tackle.
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:14 PM   #38
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Personally what I would like to see is the following:

1. Hire a youngish assistant coach, preferably defensive, from one of the playoff teams.
2. Install a Joe Gibbs style of offense with a little more punch in the passing game.
3. Draft at least one large body DT and switch to a 3-4 with Bell on the inside.

This would allow us to grow our own coach with our own identity rather then the former coach of (fill in team name). Offensively we're a power run team. AS and DV may not want to admit it but we are. Lets drop the pretense and be a power run team. This would also take the emphasis away from a weakness (WR) and put it on a strength (RB/TE). Our defense is best suited for a 3-4 except for the Dline. Since the Dline also isn't well suited for a 4-3 let's make the switch. This would also benefit Siavii who could be a good nose tackle.
Why walk away from improving our O even more by adding a quality wideout this offseason either through free agency or draft? Someone like Plexico opposite Parker would be ideal! TG, LJ, Parker, and even faster more durable #1 WR would be a sight to see next season!

Why does every one want to abandon what has worked on O and tweak it by adding the abovementioned WR?
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:43 PM   #39
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I respectfully disagree. Chiefs right now are dangerous period on the road or otherwise.
I guess we will have to disagree, 'cause when we needed to beat either the Cowpokes or the G-men to just get into the playoffs, we could not do it. LJ had huge games in both too.

And right now we are sitting home, so we are not all that dangerous.
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:44 PM   #40
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Why walk away from improving our O even more by adding a quality wideout this offseason either through free agency or draft? Someone like Plexico opposite Parker would be ideal! TG, LJ, Parker, and even faster more durable #1 WR would be a sight to see next season!

Why does every one want to abandon what has worked on O and tweak it by adding the abovementioned WR?
O hasn't won us any play-off games in the last 5+ years. We need defense. Making the #1 offense better will just raise the over/under bet on the games that we'll still lose.
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:45 PM   #41
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O hasn't won us any play-off games in the last 5+ years. We need defense. Making the #1 offense better will just raise the over/under bet on the games that we'll still lose.
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:46 PM   #42
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A case can be made that Vermeil had nothing to do with this offense. His offense was terrible until Martz got there and took it from near dead last to #1 (by the way, that's what a good coordinator does -- has immediate impact, unlike assuming we have to give Gun 3-4 years to build a respectable D). Saunders, working under Martz learned the offense, and it's Saunders not Vermeil who is the offensive guru.

Again, I am not saying that this is true. Martz was unable to maintain the high-powered offense in St. Loius more than two years I think, before it returned to earth.

The whole Vermeil, Martz, Saunders thing is interesting. How much of the credit goes to Vermeil, and how much goes to Martz/Saunders?

Yes I think Vermeil needs to be give more credit here. The St Louis offense by the end of this season had completely collapsed, while Saunders only ever turned into an offensive genious in KC under Vermeil.

Remember his offense when he was HC at SD? No, me neither.

Also if he was such a guru why did he not have more of an impact when he was receivers coach in KC during the Martyball days?
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:54 PM   #43
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O hasn't won us any play-off games in the last 5+ years. We need defense. Making the #1 offense better will just raise the over/under bet on the games that we'll still lose.
I'm assuming that the D will continue to improve and break into the top 20 ranks next year. We should be able to do this with some more additions to our roster next year during the offseason. Getting a wideout who can create separation consistently can only make us better on offense. We'll get over the hump next year, much like the Colts did this year with the acquisiton of Corey Simon.
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One positive concerning Herm and the offense, although he hired the wrong OC(Hackett). Edwards tried to implement the WC offense in his scheme . Hopefully he won't touch KC's since it's already in place
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I'm assuming that the D will continue to improve and break into the top 20 ranks next year. We should be able to do this with some more additions to our roster next year during the offseason. Getting a wideout who can create separation consistently can only make us better on offense. We'll get over the hump next year, much like the Colts did this year with the acquisiton of Corey Simon.
We are supposedly 20 million dollars above the cap. Better count on the draft picks for the additions.
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