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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 09-25-2014, 07:08 AM   #3766
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Checkmate Kirk Cameron. A Crocoduck!



In 2007, just before taking part in a debate on Nightline, Creationist Kirk Cameron went on The O’Reilly Factor and explained that evolution was nonsense because there were no transitional fossils to be found.
He went on to claim that, if evolution were true, we would see a hybrid between a crocodile and a duck.



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The largest predatory dinosaur ever was 'half-duck, half-crocodile'

According to their reconstruction, published today in Science, Spinosaurus aegyptiacus was a gigantic fish-eating, water-paddling marvel; one that, in Sereno’s words, was “a chimera — half duck, half crocodile.”
This headline right here is why the media is annoying.

It was a semi aquatic dinosaur that was 40 feet long. That does NOT make it half crocodile and half duck. Scientists need to stop trying to simplify shit like this for laymen, because too many stupid people will take it literally when it's reported like this.

It's a crocoduck like a T-rex is a croco-chicken
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:12 AM   #3767
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This headline right here is why the media is annoying.

It was a semi aquatic dinosaur. That does NOT make it half crocodile and half duck. Scientists need to stop trying to simplify shit like this for laymen, because too many stupid people will take it literally when it's reported like this.
Is you iron-y broken this morning? This is total tongue in cheek.
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:12 AM   #3768
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How is that called for in the least? That's just blind reflexive unthinking slander of your own personal bogeyman. Might have been the stupidest thing you've ever posted here, and that's saying something.
Are you saying my statement is wrong?
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:19 AM   #3769
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In other words, they admit being biased. That's the first step—admitting it.
Bias would be intentionally omitting controls to validate a predetermined conclusion.

That is not what they claimed. What they did is what scientists do after every study: Point out that there may be something we have not yet considered, thus could not control (yet). That's why there's no 100% proof in science.

Science can debunk things without question, but it cannot prove positive truths in the absolute.
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:26 AM   #3770
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Is you iron-y broken this morning? This is total tongue in cheek.
I understand that, but that was exactly the point in my post... stupid people take shit like this literally all the time. Plus, when it is clearly not a 'crockoduck' it just gives creationists (who will think this to be an attempt to literally prove the crocoduck, because creationists are creationists) ammo to misuse for years... just like when they found 'blood' in that T-rex fossil.

Aside from that, the funny thing after reading this is that it didn't change the way archaeologists viewed Spinosaurus at all. It was a fossil discovery confirmed their suspicions to date... that it was semi aquatic and it's primary food source was fish. It also validated beliefs that it hunted in a similar manner as a crocodile. It also confirmed suspicions that is walked on all 4's rather than hind legs.

Basically scientists have known for years that the Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park 3 was fantasy... used simply because it is the largest predatory dinosaur we have found to date. They entirely remodeled it for movie fun. It's jaws were simply too weak to be anything BUT a fishersaurus.

Sorry, I have a bit of a nerd-on for the crazy ass animals that have preceded us on Earth so I geek out a bit.
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:33 AM   #3771
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I agree love fossils and the amazing adaptations animals made over the millennia. Still tweaking the ridiculous crockaduck is hard to pass up. My crockaduck would be the platypus actually. Has there ever been a weirder animal?
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:50 AM   #3772
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I agree love fossils and the amazing adaptations animals made over the millennia. Still tweaking the ridiculous crockaduck is hard to pass up. My crockaduck would be the platypus actually. Has there ever been a weirder animal?
See, that's it man. The platypus shows the link between bird, lizard, and mammal better than anything on earth. It has traits of ALL of them.

I'm sure there has been weirder. I mean we find FOSSILS, but most of them suffer from... well... being bones. Do you know what an elephant looks like without reference to what it looks like NOW? Not an elephant. What would people project with fossils of those animals found 250 or so million from now?

I suspect that most sauropods had trunks similar to elephants. We can't know, it's speculation... that's why dino reproductions we have can be so inaccurate. We don't fully understand the nuanced anatomical details of those animals. We speculate, largely based on modern lizards... but that's the thing. Dinosaurs (theorpods and sauropods) aren't lizards. Theropods in particular are more bird like than lizard, especially since they have LIVING descendants in the form of every bird on earth. Every theropod ever found is a crockoduck in a way. I also found that dinosaurs have a common ancestor to reptile, but did not actually evolve FROM reptiles. Taxonomy is neat, but always changing...
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:03 AM   #3773
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See, that's it man. The platypus shows the link between bird, lizard, and mammal better than anything on earth. It has traits of ALL of them.

I'm sure there has been weirder. I mean we find FOSSILS, but most of them suffer from... well... being bones. Do you know what an elephant looks like without reference to what it looks like NOW? Not an elephant. What would people project with fossils of those animals found 250 or so million from now?

I suspect that most sauropods had trunks similar to elephants. We can't know, it's speculation... that's why dino reproductions we have can be so inaccurate. We don't fully understand the nuanced anatomical details of those animals. We speculate, largely based on modern lizards... but that's the thing. Dinosaurs (theorpods and sauropods) aren't lizards. Theropods in particular are more bird like than lizard, especially since they have LIVING descendants in the form of every bird on earth. Every theropod ever found is a crockoduck in a way. I also found that dinosaurs have a common ancestor to reptile, but did not actually evolve FROM reptiles. Taxonomy is neat, but always changing...
I assume you've been, but I found the Field Museum's collection of bones amazing. It would be difficult to leave that building without being amazed.
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Old 09-26-2014, 03:37 AM   #3774
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Let me ask you this...

If Genesis is not a divine act, then why has it only happened ONCE in over 70,000,000 years in "perfect for life" conditions.

New forms of life should be spontaneously sprouting all the time......it's not.

I still think ruling out ANYTHING is stupid.
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Old 09-26-2014, 08:32 AM   #3775
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Let me ask you this...

If Genesis is not a divine act, then why has it only happened ONCE in over 70,000,000 years in "perfect for life" conditions.

New forms of life should be spontaneously sprouting all the time......it's not.

I still think ruling out ANYTHING is stupid.
How do you know it's only happened once?
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Old 09-26-2014, 09:48 AM   #3776
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Fish with the obvious right answer. Probably happened millions of times maybe billions. But what was already there was better adapted to the environment (having been there for a bit) and new species equals digested ex-species.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:42 PM   #3777
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See, that's it man. The platypus shows the link between bird, lizard, and mammal better than anything on earth. It has traits of ALL of them.
Plus they're just so damn cute.

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Let me ask you this...

If Genesis is not a divine act, then why has it only happened ONCE in over 70,000,000 years in "perfect for life" conditions.

New forms of life should be spontaneously sprouting all the time......it's not.

I still think ruling out ANYTHING is stupid.
It took about 1.5 billion years before life even approached the multicellular level
That is billion with a b

Humans have only been around a quarter of a million years

It very well could be happening thousands and millions of times but the process is so long we obviously can't see the results
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Let me ask you this...

If Genesis is not a divine act, then why has it only happened ONCE in over 70,000,000 years in "perfect for life" conditions.

New forms of life should be spontaneously sprouting all the time......it's not.

I still think ruling out ANYTHING is stupid.
We haven't ruled anything out. Things that cannot be tested simply don't matter. It's not that god is ruled out, it's that there is no way to test it. God is therefore left on the hypothesis table. Until you can offer a way to test it, it's worthless to science. When it can be tested it we can revisit the conversation.

Also, there is evidence of more than one genesis event. We've found microbes in Antarctica ice that reads it's DNA in a completely different manner than any animal we've ever found... indicating it came into being separately. It is a fundamentally different cellular structure.

Also, finally, 'We don't know therefor god' is not a viable argument.
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