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Old 08-18-2018, 02:32 AM  
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What happens if Manafort is found Not Guilty?

The media is trying to doxx the jury:





You've got to ask why?

They clearly fear an innocent verdict. An innocent verdict for Manafort would be a devastating blow to the media for how it makes them look. They've tried and convicted this guy already. No one needs him to be found guilty more than the media does.

I've always just assumed the guy was guilty. Especially once I heard he was involved with the Podestas. But the way the media is acting right now, it's looking like it might be a swing and a miss...
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:38 AM   #61
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I think reasonable people would or should be concerned about Trump campaign people actively working with Russian nationals to try to damage Clinton, yes. There's no mistake there at all.


That's moronic. Why? Why should anyone care?
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:42 AM   #62
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Nothing at all, especially if what we're talking about is getting dirt from them on Hillary.
Actually, it could be a violation of federal election law. But, sure, to a Trumper, nothing at all.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:43 AM   #63
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That's moronic. Why? Why should anyone care?
Because it could be illegal, for one.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:43 AM   #64
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Actually, it could be a violation of federal election law. But, sure, to a Trumper, nothing at all.
"Could"

Hahahahahaha... it could also be us extending the joke to laugh at you for even longer. That seems much more likely.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:52 AM   #65
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"Could"

Hahahahahaha... it could also be us extending the joke to laugh at you for even longer. That seems much more likely.
Yes, could. Unlike Trumpers, I don't declare things to be fact when they aren't.

And, surely the irony isn't lost on you that our biggest conspiracy nut who believes pretty much every wacky idea with no supporting evidence won't give this one, which happens to have actual law behind it, the time of day.

See, now that's actually funny!

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Old 08-18-2018, 11:32 AM   #66
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Yes, could. Unlike Trumpers, I don't declare things to be fact when they aren't.

And, surely the irony isn't lost on you that our biggest conspiracy nut who believes pretty much every wacky idea with no supporting evidence won't give this one, which happens to have actual law behind it, the time of day.

See, now that's actually funny!

Why do you think it could? Do you know of this law ever being used for a purpose like this?
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:42 AM   #67
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Since Bob Dole has decided to vacate the thread, feel free to show what I have either misstated or misread.
Bob Dole claimed that Steele had Russian ties. You responded with "Steele is British, not Russian."
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:58 AM   #68
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Actually, it could be a violation of federal election law. But, sure, to a Trumper, nothing at all.
Only anti-Trumpers say it could be a violation of federal law. As far as I have read, this has usually been interpreted to require an exchange for money as the value. It sounds like bribery to a foreign official for information or some policy quid pro quo. The anti-Trumpers now want to broadly construe it to any kind of value. Well, gee, that sure would include a lot of things considered to have value that isn't limited to money.

What IS a violation of federal law, on campaign finance, would be HilLiaRy behind paying for the Steele Dossier but laundering the money to look otherwise.

Anyhow, NOTHING came of it in DTJ's case, but something did come of it with the Steele Dossier. So there was no qui pro quo. You can always find some people in any govt opposed to their current leader.

There are interests in our govt that want war with Russia, and I still say like I did just after the election, some of them are trying to blackmail the president to maintaining hostile relations that are worse than they were during the Cold War. That's just insane. I suspect the Globalists are that interest, since Russia is nationalist and they hate that. Plus it's Christian with a Christian revival and they hate that too.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:16 PM   #69
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The truth is that both sought dirt on Clinton that they hoped would be valuable.

No, it isn't.
What value? Money, fame, hookers, what?

You agree that it's just the truth, yes?

But if you wish, I'll permit you to keep avoiding answering because you know if you're honest you'll be made to look like a fool. Carry on, English...
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:19 PM   #70
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Since Bob Dole has decided to vacate the thread, feel free to show what I have either misstated or misread.
You misstate and misread a lot of things, which one in particular, English?
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Actually, it could be a violation of federal election law. But, sure, to a Trumper, nothing at all.
Don't just to conclusions about what's legal and what's not until the word artists let the ink dry. Let's not forget the Clinton server case, it was illegal until your pals in the Federal BI decided, for her, it wasn't. So hold your horses, let the wordsmiths put the rule of law up against their thesauruses.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:28 PM   #72
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Yes, could. Unlike Trumpers, I don't declare things to be fact when they aren't.

And, surely the irony isn't lost on you that our biggest conspiracy nut who believes pretty much every wacky idea with no supporting evidence won't give this one, which happens to have actual law behind it, the time of day.

See, now that's actually funny!


There's very little that I believe that I can't support with evidence. You dismiss whatever you don't like out of hand. I'm okay with that. People like you are far too permissive of evil on the basis that you didn't catch them in the act. But a growing number of people on this forum might not necessarily agree with me on every detail, but they have seen enough to know that the "haunted house" I've been pointing at might actually be "haunted" (to use a metaphor). They might not necessarily tell anybody that they think there is something to it, but many are also not going to ridicule me for saying it.
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There's very little that I believe that I can't support with evidence. You dismiss whatever you don't like out of hand. I'm okay with that. People like you are far too permissive of evil on the basis that you didn't catch them in the act. But a growing number of people on this forum might not necessarily agree with me on every detail, but they have seen enough to know that the "haunted house" I've been pointing at might actually be "haunted" (to use a metaphor). They might not necessarily tell anybody that they think there is something to it, but many are also not going to ridicule me for saying it.
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Why do you think it could? Do you know of this law ever being used for a purpose like this?
Numerous attorneys seem to think it could be used this way.

No, I don't recall any other campaign allegedly cooperating with a hostile foreign government to hurt their opponent.
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Bob Dole claimed that Steele had Russian ties. You responded with "Steele is British, not Russian."
Yes.

lawrenceRaider was the first to mention Steele and Russia.

I then asked Bob Dole what he meant by Russian ties.

He hasn't responded.
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