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Old 08-18-2018, 02:32 AM  
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What happens if Manafort is found Not Guilty?

The media is trying to doxx the jury:





You've got to ask why?

They clearly fear an innocent verdict. An innocent verdict for Manafort would be a devastating blow to the media for how it makes them look. They've tried and convicted this guy already. No one needs him to be found guilty more than the media does.

I've always just assumed the guy was guilty. Especially once I heard he was involved with the Podestas. But the way the media is acting right now, it's looking like it might be a swing and a miss...
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:12 AM   #31
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I think reasonable people would or should be concerned about Trump campaign people actively working with Russian nationals to try to damage Clinton, yes. There's no mistake there at all.


Working to "damage" Clinton vs working to "expose" Clinton are very different when considering the overall context.

- Exposing Clinton surely was not going to occur with any assistance from Comey/Holder/Lynch/Brennan/Clapper/Ohr (s)/Rice .... etc.


- You have even described Clinton as corrupt/criminal.

> Don't you think the American people deserve to know the truth about such topics as 'Uranium One?'
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:13 AM   #32
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And, if it is shown that Lyin' Junior et al conspired with the Russians to gain something of value from foreign nationals (e.g., damaging information on Clinton which would help them), which could be considered a violation of election law (among others)?
What "value"?
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:13 AM   #33
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Manafort might be walk due to the governments case being pretty weak. Their star witness who said that Manafort told him to do the tax fraud was also stealing from Manafort so there is a huge credibility problem right there.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:15 AM   #34
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Did not both Lyin' Junior and Papajohnpappoulus eagerly meet with Russian nationals in order to get what they thought was going to be valuable dirt on Clinton?
DTJ did, but I don't think P met with any Russians. And if he did, I'm not sure what his reason for meeting was.

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No evidence? Papajohnpaplous has pleaded guilty to lying about his contact with Russians. And Lyin' Junior gave us his emails where he says that he loves it. I'd call that evidence. What do you call it?
Yes, no evidence. No evidence that either DTJ or P ever received information from the Russians that was useful for damaging Hillary. P's guilty plea isn't evidence of this and neither is DTJ's email showing interest.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:17 AM   #35
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Does that law not exist? If it does, why do you think that it isn't applicable here?
It does exist, but it doesn't work the way you apparently think it does. It can't, because it would violate the first amendment. Evidence to support my position is that to the extent of my knowledge, no one has come up with a precedent showing that this law has been used to convict a candidate/campaign official for simply listening to someone who has information to share with them about their opponent.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:20 AM   #36
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And, if it is shown that Lyin' Junior et al conspired with the Russians to gain something of value from foreign nationals (e.g., damaging information on Clinton which would help them), which could be considered a violation of election law (among others)?
Cough cough.... What value? Or what "value" do you THINK the truth would have?
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:21 AM   #37
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How?
By paying a spy with deep Russian ties to fabricate a report based on things Russians supposedly told him?
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:25 AM   #38
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DTJ did, but I don't think P met with any Russians. And if he did, I'm not sure what his reason for meeting was.
They both did:

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

Page 2 and 3 for just one example. Have you read the indictment?

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Yes, no evidence. No evidence that either DTJ or P ever received information from the Russians that was useful for damaging Hillary. P's guilty plea isn't evidence of this and neither is DTJ's email showing interest.
You would agree that they both thought that they would get damaging information, yes?
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:26 AM   #39
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:26 AM   #40
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Cough cough.... What value? Or what "value" do you THINK the truth would have?
Damaging dirt on Clinton.
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By paying a spy with deep Russian ties to fabricate a report based on things Russians supposedly told him?
The DNC paid Fusion GPS, who paid Steele. Steele is British, not Russian.
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Damaging dirt on Clinton.
Are you suggesting the truth is/was damaging?
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Are you suggesting the truth is/was damaging?
Lyin' Junior and Papajohnpapoulus certainly hoped the dirt would be damaging.

It's true that both sought dirt on Clinton that they hoped would be valuable. Is that the "truth" you are speaking about?
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They both did:

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

Page 2 and 3 for just one example. Have you read the indictment?
I didn't see it. I see that it says he met with a professor believed to have Russian contacts. I'm not certain, but I think they're talking about Joseph Mifsud who is from Malta.

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You would agree that they both thought that they would get damaging information, yes?
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that we don't have any public evidence that the Trump campaign actually received information.
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The DNC paid Fusion GPS, who paid Steele. Steele is British, not Russian.
Russian TIES. Your intentional misreading and misstating of posts is annoying. Thanks for putting another thread on ignore.
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