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Old 08-18-2018, 02:32 AM  
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What happens if Manafort is found Not Guilty?

The media is trying to doxx the jury:





You've got to ask why?

They clearly fear an innocent verdict. An innocent verdict for Manafort would be a devastating blow to the media for how it makes them look. They've tried and convicted this guy already. No one needs him to be found guilty more than the media does.

I've always just assumed the guy was guilty. Especially once I heard he was involved with the Podestas. But the way the media is acting right now, it's looking like it might be a swing and a miss...
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:45 AM   #16
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Well, both of those could be considered "collusion" or cooperation, if you prefer. Precisely what Mueller was charged with investigating.
The scope of Mueller’s task (overly broad as it is) does not define the collusion reasonable people would be concerned about. It’s hard to believe your position is simply a mistake since you’ve had this explained to you before.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:45 AM   #17
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If he's found not guilty, Trumpers will say, "See!? No Collusion!"

If he's found guilty, Trumpers will say, "So what!? Nothing to do with Trump!"
Both statements are correct.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:48 AM   #18
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The scope of Mueller’s task (overly broad as it is) does not define the collusion reasonable people would be concerned about. It’s hard to believe your position is simply a mistake since you’ve had this explained to you before.
I think reasonable people would or should be concerned about Trump campaign people actively working with Russian nationals to try to damage Clinton, yes. There's no mistake there at all.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:51 AM   #19
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If Mueller was explicitly tasked with “investigating stock trades” for illegality like insider trading or fraud, the fact that he finds stock trades is of almost no interest. What’s of interest is whether he finds evidence of illegality involving those stock trades. What are we to make of the guy jumping up and down because of news that run-of-the-mill stock trading happened?
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:54 AM   #20
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I think reasonable people would or should be concerned about Trump campaign people actively working with Russian nationals to try to damage Clinton, yes. There's no mistake there at all.
It doesn’t surprise me when someone with an unreasonable take on something misunderstands what reasonable people would think.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:57 AM   #21
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DNC colluded with Russia a hell of a lot more than the Trump campaign.
You're colouring your argument to help your favoured party.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:00 AM   #22
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So Russians meddled to show how DNC rigged their own election.

How can this be bad? More like a public service to me.
Well, TBH, we all "knew" it already (it was clear "beyond the shadow of a doubt"), all Wikileaks did is eliminate the shadow.
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You're colouring your argument to help your favoured party.
Are you English or something? Speak American or brexit back across the pond.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:01 AM   #24
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If Mueller was explicitly tasked with “investigating stock trades” for illegality like insider trading or fraud, the fact that he finds stock trades is of almost no interest. What’s of interest is whether he finds evidence of illegality involving those stock trades. What are we to make of the guy jumping up and down because of news that run-of-the-mill stock trading happened?
And, if it is shown that Lyin' Junior et al conspired with the Russians to gain something of value from foreign nationals (e.g., damaging information on Clinton which would help them), which could be considered a violation of election law (among others)?
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:02 AM   #25
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It doesn’t surprise me when someone with an unreasonable take on something misunderstands what reasonable people would think.
Since when is being concerned about possible illegal actions unreasonable?
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Sorry chap, I had a redcoat an English muffin this morning...

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And, if it is shown that Lyin' Junior et al conspired with the Russians to gain something of value from foreign nationals (e.g., damaging information on Clinton which would help them), which could be considered a violation of election law (among others)?
I think that's a faulty legal theory, so nothing. But of course, there's not any evidence that even that happened.
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Since when is being concerned about possible illegal actions unreasonable?
Since the person concerned started having trouble telling the difference between innocuous, legal but possibly shady, and illegal.
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I think that's a faulty legal theory, so nothing. But of course, there's not any evidence that even that happened.
Did not both Lyin' Junior and Papajohnpappoulus eagerly meet with Russian nationals in order to get what they thought was going to be valuable dirt on Clinton?

No evidence? Papajohnpaplous has pleaded guilty to lying about his contact with Russians. And Lyin' Junior gave us his emails where he says that he loves it. I'd call that evidence. What do you call it?
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Since the person concerned started having trouble telling the difference between innocuous, legal but possibly shady, and illegal.
Does that law not exist? If it does, why do you think that it isn't applicable here?
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