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Old 02-12-2018, 07:10 AM  
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Last week marked the fifth anniversary of Colorado's decision to sanction the world's first anything-goes commercial pot trade.

Five years later, we remain an embarrassing cautionary tale.

Visitors to Colorado remark about a new agricultural smell, the wafting odor of pot as they drive near warehouse grow operations along Denver freeways. Residential neighborhoods throughout Colorado Springs reek of marijuana, as producers fill rental homes with plants.

Five years of retail pot coincide with five years of a homelessness growth rate that ranks among the highest rates in the country. Directors of homeless shelters, and people who live on the streets, tell us homeless substance abusers migrate here for easy access to pot.

Five years of Big Marijuana ushered in a doubling in the number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for marijuana, based on research by the pro-legalization Denver Post.

Five years of commercial pot have been five years of more marijuana in schools than teachers and administrators ever feared.

"An investigation by Education News Colorado, Solutions and the I-News Network shows drug violations reported by Colorado's K-12 schools have increased 45 percent in the past four years, even as the combined number of all other violations has fallen," explains an expose on escalating pot use in schools by Rocky Mountain PBS in late 2016.

The investigation found an increase in high school drug violations of 71 percent since legalization. School suspensions for drugs increased 45 percent.

The National Survey on Drug Use and Health found Colorado ranks first in the country for marijuana use among teens, scoring well above the national average.

The only good news to celebrate on this anniversary is the dawn of another organization to push back against Big Marijuana's threat to kids, teens and young adults.

The Marijuana Accountability Coalition formed Nov. 6 in Denver and will establish satellites throughout the state. It resulted from discussions among recovery professionals, parents, physicians and others concerned with the long-term effects of a commercial industry profiteering off of substance abuse.

"It's one thing to decriminalize marijuana, it's an entirely different thing to legalize an industry that has commercialized a drug that is devastating our kids and devastating whole communities," said coalition founder Justin Luke Riley. "Coloradans need to know, other states need to know, that Colorado is suffering from massive normalization and commercialization of this drug which has resulted in Colorado being the number one state for youth drug use in the country. Kids are being expelled at higher rates, and more road deaths tied to pot have resulted since legalization."

Commercial pot's five-year anniversary is an odious occasion for those who want safer streets, healthier kids and less suffering associated with substance abuse. Experts say the worst effects of widespread pot use will culminate over decades. If so, we can only imagine the somber nature of Big Marijuana's 25th birthday.

— Colorado Springs Gazette
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:48 AM   #16
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:15 AM   #17
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So five years into legalized pot and their big complaint is a completely subjective claim that the freeways smell funny? Sounds like a resounding success.
Not quite:

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/2...ic-fatalities/
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:22 AM   #18
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Colorado transportation and public safety officials, however, say the rising number of pot-related traffic fatalities cannot be definitively linked to legalized marijuana.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:27 AM   #19
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Yes, I'm sure it's just a coincidence:

The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado who tested positive for marijuana has risen sharply each year since 2013, more than doubling in that time, federal and state data show.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:30 AM   #20
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I'm still having a hard time seeing any of those negative impacts as "unintended consequences" in the sense that phrase is usually used. I'm sure they were unintended in the literal sense, but they weren't unforeseeable.
This. It's not like anyone didn't see this coming, they just didn't care.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:31 AM   #21
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Yes, I'm sure it's just a coincidence:

The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado who tested positive for marijuana has risen sharply each year since 2013, more than doubling in that time, federal and state data show.
As Stinky Bug Nuts pointed out though, testing positive and being under the influence are two different things. The former lasts for days if not weeks after ingestion while the latter lasts for hours at most. So you get high on Sunday afternoon and then die in a car crash Monday evening and you test positive for marijuana even though you weren't under the influence at the time of the crash, for example.

I don't have any doubt that there are more marijuana influenced drivers (and fatalities) on the road in CO after legalization, but the statistic offered in the article gives what I would suspect is a significantly inflated impression of the effect.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:37 AM   #22
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As Stinky Bug Nuts pointed out though, testing positive and being under the influence are two different things. The former lasts for days if not weeks after ingestion while the latter lasts for hours at most. So you get high on Sunday afternoon and then die in a car crash Monday evening and you test positive for marijuana even though you weren't under the influence at the time of the crash, for example.

I don't have any doubt that there are more marijuana influenced drivers (and fatalities) on the road in CO after legalization, but the statistic offered in the article gives what I would suspect is a significantly inflated impression of the effect.
Yes, I know the caveat that stoners cling to.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:38 AM   #23
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The War on Drugs has been such a spectacular, multi-generational failure. Just absurd to see prople pretending that the freeways smelling off is a national crisis and expecting to be taken seriously.
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Yes, I know the caveat that stoners cling to.
That's a weird way to say it if you mean reality. The author of the article didn't have to use a misleading statistic.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:41 AM   #25
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Not sure where the article is getting its information...

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Colorado's Teen Marijuana Usage Dips after Legalization

Marijuana consumption by Colorado high school students has dipped slightly since the state first permitted recreational cannabis use by adults, a new survey showed on Monday, contrary to concerns that legalization would increase pot use by teens.

The biannual poll by the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment also showed the percentage of high school students indulging in marijuana in Colorado was smaller than the national average among teens.

According to the department, 21.2 percent of Colorado high school students surveyed in 2015 had used marijuana during the preceding 30 days, down from 22 percent in 2011, the year before voters statewide approved recreational cannabis use by adults 21 and older. The first state-licensed retail outlets for legalized pot actually opened in 2014.

Nationwide, the rate of pot use by teens is slightly higher at 21.7 percent, the study found.

“The survey shows marijuana use has not increased since legalization, with four of five high school students continuing to say they don't use marijuana, even occasionally,” the department said in a statement.

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DENVER – Colorado adolescents are using marijuana at the lowest rate in a decade, and the rates at which the same group of children are using it continues to decline since recreational marijuana went on sale here in 2014, according to new data published by the federal government.

The new data comes from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health yearly report, which is performed by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA).

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https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sit...ic-Digital.pdf
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:41 AM   #26
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Having lived in Humboldt County for years this all sounds familiar. Homeless population was through the roof for a number of reason but pot was a big contributing factor (weather is better than CO). Has anyone heard the term “trimagrint”?

Home invasion there seemed pretty high and Pot/cash is the target.

Kids can get weed easier than cigarettes.

The smell of weed at any public event.

High automobile accident rate per capita

Inflated rent/homeownership cost due to grow houses

Weed has it’s downfalls and should be addressed but it’s def not as bad as meth or crack being pumped into the neighborhood. Glad CO is recognizing the drawbacks and taking action to help mitigate the negatives.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:43 AM   #27
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As Stinky Bug Nuts pointed out though, testing positive and being under the influence are two different things. The former lasts for days if not weeks after ingestion while the latter lasts for hours at most. So you get high on Sunday afternoon and then die in a car crash Monday evening and you test positive for marijuana even though you weren't under the influence at the time of the crash, for example.

I don't have any doubt that there are more marijuana influenced drivers (and fatalities) on the road in CO after legalization, but the statistic offered in the article gives what I would suspect is a significantly inflated impression of the effect.
Its actually possible to tell how much THC is in the system when tested just like with alcohol so the real question is not did they test positive but how much THC was in their system.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:46 AM   #28
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Its actually possible to tell how much THC is in the system when tested just like with alcohol so the real question is not did they test positive but how much THC was in their system.
Sure. Do you think that statistic is based on testing positive at the legally impaired threshold or testing positive at all? I'm betting on the latter, although I'm open to being corrected.
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https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sit...ic-Digital.pdf

Maybe they have data that is not 3 years old
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Sure. Do you think that statistic is based on testing positive at the legally impaired threshold or testing positive at all? I'm betting on the latter, although I'm open to being corrected.
Probably just a positive test I am sure.
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