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Old 04-19-2017, 06:18 PM  
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Why Did The Vatican Remove 14 Books From The Bible in 1684?

The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception. Aside from literally committing acts of outright genocide several centuries ago against the Cathars, to sexually abusing children in more modern times, it is certainly one of the most corrupt organizations in history.

In the year 1611 the Bible was translated from Latin into English. Back then the Bible contained a total of 80 books and the last 14 books, which today have been excluded, made up the end of the Old Testament and were as follows:

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1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
The rest of Esther
The Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah
The Songs of the 3 Holy children
The history of Susana
bel and the dragon
The prayer for Manasses
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
In 1684 all of these books were removed from all versions except for a 1611 edition, which was the very first edition translated into English.

In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J did not even being used at the time?

One of these books that is particularly interesting, is the “Wisdom of Solomon”. For those who don’t know Solomon is one of the most legendary characters from the Bible. He was the son of David and is alleged to be the wisest man that has ever lived. He is painted largely as a benevolent figure. But what you read in this book will make you question everything you were told to believe about him.

Observe the following excerpt;

Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

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1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath of our nostrils is as smoke, and the little spark in the moving of our heart

3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,

4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away, with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.

5 For our time is very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.

6 Come on there for let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.

7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the Spring pass by us.

8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:

9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion and our lot is this.

10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

11 Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because HE is not of our turn, and HE is clean contrary to our doings. He upbraideth us with our offending of the law, and ojecteth to our infamy the transgression of our education.

13 HE professeth to have the knowledge of the MOST HIGH, and calleth HIS self the child of the LORD.

14 HE was made to reprove our thoughts

15 HE is grievous unto us even to behold, for HIS life is not like other men’s, HIS ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father.

17 Let us see if HIS words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of HIM.

18 For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

19 Let us examine HIM with despitefulness and torture, that we may know HIS meekness and prove HIS patience.

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Let us condemn HIM with a shameful death: for by HIS own mouth HE shall be respected…..
This raises a number of important questions


Who is Solomon speaking of killing with a “shameful death”?

Why did the Vatican vote to have these 14 books removed from the Bible?

Why did Solomon sound so crazy and evil in this book?

It seems that Solomon was speaking of Jesus. But Jesus was born roughly 900 years after his death. Could he have prophesied Jesus’ coming? Let’s consider why this could be who Solomon was talking about;

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They killed the SON with a shameful death
The SON’s actions or fashions were different from everyone else’s
HE claims to be and IS the child of The MOST HIGH
He was a righteous poor man who would look at Solomon and others like him as “counterfeits”.
HE professeth to have knowledge of The MOST HIGH
Then listen to what Solomon has to say:


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HE was made to reprove (criticize) our thoughts
We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father
For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.
And one last thing I would like to point out is when Solomon says;

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Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
This really disrupts everything we thought we knew. Solomon really and truly sounds evil. He is also alleged to be the wisest man in history.

Interestingly, Solomon is a man who was engulfed in the occult, he worshiped multiple gods and was weak for women. And the famous Temple of Solomon is considered to be the spiritual birth place of Freemasonry, a movement that is (at the highest levels) associated with pulling the strings of major global events and argued to be the true controlling power of our world.

Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:05 PM   #16
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:57 PM   #17
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Are you a catholic, my child?
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:18 PM   #18
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:39 PM   #20
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Though not a Roman Catholic, I actually know quite a lot about this subject.
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Though not a Roman Catholic, I actually know quite a lot about this subject.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:15 PM   #23
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Are you a catholic, my child?
I was raised as one. We were taught that those books were not valid using different words. I forget exactly why. Just trying to be brief.
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I was raised as one. We were taught that those books were not valid using different words.
what a shock

congrats on escaping the shackles of that mental prison
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Are you saying that there is a "Catholic Bible" that is missing these books, and it's not the same as the "Protestant Bible," which would presumably still contain the missing books? (Honest question, I don't know the answer).

I'm pretty sure that by 1611 the Protestants weren't really paying much attention to the Vatican, other than to cast aspersions.
Not trying to be rude but I thought everyone knew the Catholic Bible had more books than the Protestsnt. 73-66. You'd have to almost try and avoid any religion discussion or class


What happened to the other books beyond #73? Who knows, who cares? Some of these books were apocryphal or not reliable. If you and I wrote books reciting the 2016 election, they'd be quite diff
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Not trying to be rude but I thought everyone knew the Catholic Bible had more books than the Protestsnt. 73-66. You'd have to almost try and avoid any religion discussion or class


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More like the Greeks really got interested in Christianity and mixed the Jewish cult with Greek philosophy and Zoroastrianism and some of the stuff that came out of it was different from what became the mainstream church.

For instance Egyptians were very heavily into the monophysite theology thus denied the Trinity which was later declared heresy by the formal church. Islam probably got it very monotheistic theology from Mohammad's exposure to Egyptian Christians during his time as a merchant trade.
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While I would love to discuss your topic, I know that you have no interest in actually learning about the history of the church.
I have no religious leaning at all but church history has always been fascinating to me.

You're absolutely right - if he was curious about the answer to this question at all, it isn't difficult to learn about the Council of Trent and the disputes/developments leading up to it (some other council's several hundred years prior who's names immediately escape me).

Pretty poor attempt at trolling...
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...or burn them...just ask the Catholics.
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