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Old 04-18-2017, 06:01 PM  
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Bill O out at Fox??

I hate that dipshit. I hope it's true....

Source: Fox News and Bill O'Reilly are talking exit

by Brian Stelter @brianstelter
April 18, 2017: 7:30 PM ET

Fox News will no longer even respond to questions about whether Bill O'Reilly will return to his show.
A well-placed source said Tuesday afternoon that representatives for Fox and O'Reilly have begun talking about an exit. But this prompted a denial from sources in O'Reilly's camp.
Even one person close to O'Reilly, however, said he will probably not be back on "The O'Reilly Factor."
The original well-placed source said an announcement about O'Reilly's fate was likely by the end of the week.
The fact that none of these sources were willing to go on the record speaks to the delicate maneuvering underway.
The network's parent company, 21st Century Fox (FOX), will hold a board meeting on Thursday, a spokeswoman told CNNMoney. One of the sources said O'Reilly will be a primary topic.
The Murdochs, the men who control 21st Century Fox, are pointedly not commenting on any of this.
But conversations inside Fox have already turned to possible O'Reilly successors.
New York magazine's Gabriel Sherman, the author of a biography about ex-Fox News boss Roger Ailes, reported Tuesday that "the Murdochs are leaning toward announcing that O'Reilly will not return to the air."
Sherman cited "three sources with knowledge of the discussions" and said "no final decision has been made."
As CNNMoney has previously reported, there had been a split between Rupert Murdoch, the company's patriarch, and his sons James and Lachlan, with James advocating for O'Reilly's ouster. Lachlan was previously said to be in the middle. Sherman said Tuesday that Lachlan has "leaned more in his brother James's direction" in recent days.
All of this is a reaction to a New York Times story about the settlement payments that O'Reilly, Fox and 21st Century Fox paid to women who accused O'Reilly of sexual harassment and verbal abuse.
Last week 21st Century Fox confirmed that an outside law firm was investigating allegations against O'Reilly.
The same firm -- Paul, Weiss -- played an instrumental role in the eventual resignation of Ailes last summer.
O'Reilly's allies feel that he has been unfairly demonized by his accusers and a biased news media.
His opponents, including some influential voices inside 21st Century Fox, feel that O'Reilly has behaved badly over the years, that his behavior has been exposed, and that it's inappropriate for Fox News to continue his show.
"The O'Reilly Factor" is by far the highest-rated program on cable news. But most of O'Reilly's advertisers abandoned the show in the wake of the Times' story.
O'Reilly began a pre-planned vacation to Italy last week. When he announced the vacation on air, Fox News and O'Reilly's own outside spokesman said he'd be back on the "Factor" on April 24. Guest hosts are filling in this week.
O'Reilly remains in Italy while his team of agents and lawyers in New York work on his behalf.
Some sources on O'Reilly's side said that, as of Tuesday afternoon, they still expect he'll be back on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Monday.
But they acknowledged that none of them know for sure.
Fox recently renewed O'Reilly's contract with the knowledge that the Times' story was in the works.
The Times reported that the new deal was structured to give Fox "more leverage over him regarding his behavior."
That could be a factor in negotiations now.
If O'Reilly does resign, or if Fox takes him off the air, he'd be the third major player to leave the network in the span of nine months. Ailes' resignation last July was the result of sexual harassment charges by women at the network, including Megyn Kelly, who herself left Fox in January. O'Reilly defended Ailes when the women first came forward.
Kelly decided to leave Fox News in January. She is launching two new shows on NBC later this year.
Fox's audience has remained extraordinarily loyal to the network amid all of the off-air controversies.
And many of O'Reilly's fans are waiting for him to get back from vacation.
But on Tuesday, Fox would no longer confirm his April 24 return date.
When asked, "Will O'Reilly be returning to the Factor on April 24?," the Murdochs' top spokesperson did not respond.
-- CNN's Dylan Byers contributed reporting.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/18/medi...fox-news-exit/

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Old 04-19-2017, 03:20 PM   #61
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Dana seems to be nonpartisan during her time on the air. I think she's good.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:21 PM   #62
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Usually a non-partisan of her stripe, is more evidence she's not a conservative. Then again Hannity is the conservative at Fox. ( snowed by the lies of NCs but a conservative more or less). Tucker is more libertarian. So maybe, they want a mix. I won't be fooled by her takes though.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:22 PM   #63
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You mean after Trump has embraced several sensible "establishment" positions? Are you sure she's the one changing her tune?
I'm aware that he has adjusted course on a few issues, but am curious about which ones stand out to you...
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:26 PM   #64
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Perillo's awful. Then again, most of the female cable news personalities are awful. Then again, most of the female news personalities are awful, be it cable or network. That's what happens when you affirmative action positions that should be merit-based.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:29 PM   #65
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No, she's just not even a conservative
As Reagan once said..."there you go again"

All of this division within the party, trying to put people into neat little boxes is simply not helpful, and ultimately meaningless IMO

I dont like it when establishment types here try to delegitimize other schools of thought like "Trumpism"... and I also dont see it as helpful when that side calls the other a bunch of "cucks" etc

Conservative types better learn to stick together better, or the gains of the last few years will fall by the wayside
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:36 PM   #66
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As Reagan once said..."there you go again"
As I recall Reagan called out "Liberals" as "Liberals" and made it dirty word for awhile.

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All of this division within the party, trying to put people into neat little boxes is simply not helpful, and ultimately meaningless IMO
No, categorizing ideas is part of logic. So we know what we're dealing with. People don't like that, because they like to hide what category of thought they're in. It's no different than identifying someone by their name. It's just a form of shorthand. It is not meaningless. It's more people don't know the meaning.

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I dont like it when establishment types here try to delegitimize other schools of thought like "Trumpism"... and I also dont see it as helpful when that side calls the other a bunch of "cucks" etc
I don't like it when it's not done accurately or only make fun when it's not accurate. Making fun when it's accurate is all okay with me though. It's like some Democrats getting all upset when someone calls them socialists, when they are advocating that exactly.

There is a set of beliefs and ideas that make conservatism what it is. I say the Old Right/Traditional Right, or what is known as the Paleo Right reflects that nowadays.
Paul Gottfried, Pat Buchanan as reflected in the mag called American Conservative. That's the kind of conservative I am and I don't mind being labeled for it or put in some neat little box for it.

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She's not a conservative, so I feel no need to stick with her. I will agree with her on an issue-by-issue basis only.

I say, this line of thinking is why small govt conservativism has been dying. There are people that want to kill it, so they run under it's banner but advise for things that don't fall under conservativism. She's a type of Republican is all.
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You're not always conservative yourself, in my view BEP

That doesnt mean you dont mostly fall into a conservative alignment, but you do have some views more in tune with pacifist hippies than traditional conservatives
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Reagan Quotes on Liberals

Reagan putting people into a neat little box—liberals.
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https://quotesgram.com/reagan-quotes-on-liberals/
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You're not always conservative yourself, in my view BEP
I have admitted that I have a few libertarian ideas—but that still places me into the limited govt camp which conservatives claim to support. However, I am not remotely leftist. In fact, the most accurate on-line quiz places me in the Constitution Party and that category is not in most of those quizzes. Most of them put me as leaning libertarian. Some conservative positions share libertarian ideas but not all. Libertarians, as I have stated before, want even less govt than I would. And I think many more issues should be state or local and not federal.

Look I don't disagree, there are different kinds of conservatives or degrees, but at some point overall someone just can't be called a conservative. Dana is one of them to me, as was the "compassionate conservative" Bush or his father. People like that get called "moderate" but that really is the meaningless label, since they're a mix and each is made up of a different mix.


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If you think this, then you don't understand conservativism or the history of that movement. That's what NeoCons allege of me. By this standard Pat Buchanan and Rep Walter Jones are pacifist hippies and they're far from it.

Traditional Conservativism, Old Right or Paleo Conservativism is non-interventionist on foreign policy. Not isolationist, although some go that far. So all it means is there is an overlap with some on the left. ( who are also interventionist but differ as to how and when) Whereas, we're not for putting troops in the ME and getting involved in their conflicts, we'd not necessarily be against doing something regarding NK. Reagan stayed out of the Falklands dispute.

We don't go searching for "monsters to destroy" abroad as our some Framers argued. We support their ideas.

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Written by a one of the better-known PaleoConservatives:


Where the Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency

American Empire is at its apex. We are the sole superpower with no potential challenger for a generation. We can reach any point on the globe with our cruise missiles and smart bombs and our culture penetrates every nook and cranny of the global village. Yet we are now the most hated country on earth, buried beneath a mountain of debt and morally bankrupt.

Where the Right Went Wrong chronicles how the Bush administration and Beltway conservatives have abandoned their principles, and how a tiny cabal hijacked U. S. foreign policy, and may have ignited a "war of civilizations" with the Islamic world that will leave America's military mired down in Middle East wars for years to come.

At the same time, these Republicans have sacrificed the American worker on the altar of free trade and discarded the beliefs of Taft, Goldwater and Reagan to become a party of Big Government that sells its soul to the highest bidder.

A damning portrait of the present masters of the GOP, Where the Right Went Wrong calls to task the Bush administration for its abandonment of true conservatism including:

*The neo-conservative cabal-liberal wolves in conservative suits.
*Why the Iraq War has widened and imperiled the War on Terror.
*How current trade policy outsources American sovereignty, independence and industrial power.

"Buchanan is an honest writer who...minces nothing except an occasional opponent."
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Some reviews of the book:

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In Where the Right Went Wrong, veteran pundit and occasional presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan offers up scathing criticisms of Bush's policies, the arrogance and boorishness of which, he warns, could ultimately dramatically destabilize the United States' superpower status.

The problem, in Buchanan's eyes, is the rejection of traditional Reagan-era conservatism by an administration under the sway of the so-called "neoconservatives," who favor a pre-emptive military strategy and big government and don't mind running up dangerously huge budget deficits to support it.

The war in Iraq, fought without direct demonstrable threat, alienates America in the eyes of the rest of the world, says Buchanan, squandering the global goodwill earned after the 9/11 attacks and creating exponentially larger numbers of terrorists who will threaten the U.S. for generations to come.
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In his indictment of the current Bush administration and its "neoconservative" policies, pundit and occasional presidential candidate Buchanan likens the American condition to that of Rome before the fall, citing "ominous analogies" such as "the decline of religion and morality, corruption of the commercial class, and a debased and decadent culture."

According to Buchanan, the blame for this state of affairs rests squarely in the lap of "neoconservatives," who are mere liberals in sheep’s clothing.

These neocons, the author contends, have wrestled control of the Republican party out of the hands of true conservatives such as himself, Barry Goldwater and, of course, Ronald Reagan—with disastrous results.

Buchanan takes issue with Bush’s policies on, among other things, immigration, terrorism, imperialism, the Middle East, free trade and the deficit. What may come as a surprise to readers is Buchanan’s position on the war in Iraq, which he believes was an enormous error in judgment.

"By attacking and occupying an Arab nation that had no role in 9/11, no plans to attack us, and no weapons of mass destruction, we played into bin Laden’s hand," Buchanan writes. But liberals won’t stay on board with the book’s message for long, especially when it comes to issues of culture and social policy.
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I'm aware that he has adjusted course on a few issues, but am curious about which ones stand out to you...
Some of his more dramatic reversals have been his attack on Syria, his embrace of the export/import bank, his softening rhetoric on China including his explicit endorsement of the One China policy and his reversal on the currency manipulator charge (although I'm not sure that one is permanent).

I don't and never have believed he's a Russian puppet, but the degree to which he's changed his tune and poked the Russians in the eye so far has been pretty impressive too.

I think most, if not all, of his cabinet and judicial appointments so far have been people Lindsay Graham can be enthused about. And I think the degree to which Trump has embraced Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell is also notable.

These aren't criticisms, btw.
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Some of his more dramatic reversals have been his attack on Syria, his embrace of the export/import bank, his softening rhetoric on China including his explicit endorsement of the One China policy and his reversal on the currency manipulator charge (although I'm not sure that one is permanent).
You list 4 items here. Of the 4, only the one regarding the export/import bank is a reversal.
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BTW Easy6,

I also consider Fox News to be Conservative Light. It's definitely Republican but it leans toward NeoConservatism more.
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