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Old 04-14-2017, 10:02 AM  
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The NFL doesn't think Mahomes is a first rounder.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RLiuNFL/s...draft-and-more

There's the list of the 22 prospects that will attend the draft.

I'm kinda disappointed that if KC selects Mahomes, he won't be able to go on stage and do his thing...Kizer, Watson and Trubiski were all invited.

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Old 04-14-2017, 10:59 AM   #16
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I still think that the Browns should roll with Osweiler this year. Take Garrett at 1 and take Trubisky at 12 if you want to but don't start him Week 1. Let Osweiler take those shots and get Trubisky learning your offense.
If the Browns use their picks wisely, they stack that teams defense and waits on a QB. Let the defense grow together and just punt this year and draft the top guy next year.

They will for sure have a top 5 pick, likely first overall...stack the defense and draft a stud next year.

Otherwise, they are going to go into a self defeating pattern again and draft a halfway talented project this year and might use that as an excuse to pass on an elite prospect at the position.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:02 AM   #17
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The only people who believe Mahomes is a first rounder are desperate fans.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:32 AM   #18
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The only people who believe Mahomes is a first rounder are desperate fans.
You're just playing contrarian, as usual.

This is extremely similar to when GB had an aging starter and chose a project with a huge upside that was a project in the late first round.

Or when GB traded for a gunslinger that Atlanta drafted the year before in the early second round...for Andy Reid to help develop into a HOFer.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:41 PM   #19
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You're just playing contrarian, as usual.

This is extremely similar to when GB had an aging starter and chose a project with a huge upside that was a project in the late first round.

Or when GB traded for a gunslinger that Atlanta drafted the year before in the early second round...for Andy Reid to help develop into a HOFer.
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You're just playing contrarian, as usual.

This is extremely similar to when GB had an aging starter and chose a project with a huge upside that was a project in the late first round.

Or when GB traded for a gunslinger that Atlanta drafted the year before in the early second round...for Andy Reid to help develop into a HOFer.
Now Rodgers was a project?

Dude he was considered to be an awesome prospect and people were just mystified when he started to drop. Not remotely the same.

Terrible, awful comparison.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:52 PM   #21
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What NFL scouts told the Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn before the draft about quarterback Aaron Rodgers:

Marc Ross, Buffalo: "He's a little short. The thing you worry about is those (Jeff) Tedford guys. They don't do anything for a couple years and then they have a good year or two. Who of his quarterbacks has done what they're supposed to do? None of them. Is he just working magic with great college quarterbacks or just manufacturing guys?"

AFC scout: "I like him. He's a very talented guy. A lot of quarterbacks that were system people have not done very well. That puts up a red flag. Not that he is one of them. He could be an exception. But I can't get it out of my craw."

Rich Snead, Tennessee: "I like him. I just don't know if he's maxed out. He's more accurate than (Kyle) Boller but probably not as athletic. He's a better player than Akili Smith. He's more athletic than (Trent) Dilfer was. He's a little more mobile than Joey Harrington. He had to go to a JC because no one would recruit him because they said he was too small. He's been busting his (expletive) his whole life to get to this point. I just don't know how much more he has to give."

NFC scout: "(Alex) Smith is the better athlete."

AFC scout: "I think he has some upside although there are some things that are just ordinary about him."

Jerry Angelo, Chicago: "I'd give Rodgers the edge (over Smith) just because he was easier to evaluate. And there's a little more arm. But the edge is negligible."

NFC scout: "I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback. Thing I struggle with him is he gets sacked a lot. He doesn't have great ability to change the release of the football. He's mechanically very rigid. Brett Favre can change his release point and find different windows. There will be more growing pains with Alex Smith but in the end he has a much better chance to be much better."

NFC scout: "The guys that Tedford has had, what have they developed into? They're too well-schooled. So mechanical. So robotic. I don't know if they become good pro players. I think Rodgers is in that same mold."

AFC scout: "I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing. If you take him in the second round, fine. Heady guy. They do a marvelous job of coaching quarterbacks there. I don't think he's as good as the top quarterbacks coming out last year."

AFC scout: "I don't think he's in the class of the quarterbacks that came out last year. Strong arm. Pretty good athlete. Still has some holes in his game."

Bill Polian, Indianapolis: "I see a guy who has good arm strength. I see some athletic ability. I see a guy who was pretty good with a good team. I see a guy who's in a pretty efficient offense. Am I certain that he's going to come in and lead my team to the Promised Land? I can't say that. I'm not even sure I can say that about Alex Smith."

AFC scout: "He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it."

NFC scout: "He fit right into the Cal system. He probably executed that as well as anybody. He doesn't have as strong an arm as Boller but can make the same reads and play the scheme as well as Boller did.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:03 PM   #22
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Now Rodgers was a project?

Dude he was considered to be an awesome prospect and people were just mystified when he started to drop. Not remotely the same.

Terrible, awful comparison.
I never recall Rodgers being an "awesome prospect."


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As for Mahomes not getting invited, big shit. He's still more likely than not to go 1st round. Kizer on the other hand, I don't think he's going 1st round and he got invited. Kind of strange.

In my opinion, I think it's too much of a production anyhow. I think you invite, at most, the 10 guys you think will go top 15 and leave it at that. There's 22 guys invited this year to attend, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:27 PM   #23
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That year it was between Smith and Rodgers for who would be the 1.1, it has been well covered with McCarthy supposedly telling Rodgers that he was going to be the pick at 1.1 If Rodgers was thought of as a project there would not have been all the talk about his fall down the 1st round and the video of him setting there waiting to be picked.
Keep it real instead of pushing your agenda.
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I never recall Rodgers being an "awesome prospect."
He wasn't a Manning but he certainly wasn't goddamn Pat Mahomes.
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AFC scout: "He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it."

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He wasn't a Manning but he certainly wasn't goddamn Pat Mahomes.
Oh I agree, the talk wasn't quite the same in that regard. There was a group that thought he was a top-15 guy and there was a group that didn't think he was a round 1 pick. There certainly wasn't much of any talk about him going 1st overall or even in the top 5. I wrecked a TV when KC took DJ over him, but that's the past. I wouldnt' feel the same way about Mahomes, but I'd be pretty pissed if KC passed in a similar fashion.
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Harrington/Boller clone, they said

"Awesome prospect" alright
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Maybe it was one of the Browns scouts who didnt think Wentz was a firet rounder
He's talking about Aaron Rodgers.
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They'll do the same thing to next year's qb class, just as they always do. Frankly, at this point I dint really care to see what these scouts have to say. Disinfo, etc.

If the Chiefs think one of these dudes are worth developing, take him. If not, load up on defense, go from there.
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