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Old 04-12-2017, 08:32 AM  
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The decline of our cites. Sadly this sort of act is not unusual anymore

Our cities continue to decline into third world status. Once we used to read of tribal behaviors and warlords in far off exotic lands. Now its available here at home on any given day.




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Detroit police are poring over Facebook videos that show dozens of people cheering, laughing and videotaping a brawl between women that ended in a double stabbing.

The fight, which reportedly started over a parking space, happened Sunday evening at Rouge Park on the city’s northwest side, 6th Precinct Cmdr. Aric Tosqui said.

“It’s unfortunate that we as a society find entertainment in these kind of things,” Tosqui said. “In this case, people got hurt while everyone else stood around and filmed it instead of doing something.

“The case is under investigation, but one of the victims is uncooperative,” Tosqui said. “There were several videos posted to Facebook. We’ll be working with Facebook to gather all the videos so we can determine exactly what happened, and who was involved.”

Monday, police arrested two women, ages 21 and 22, in connection with the stabbings, Sgt. Adam Madera said.

One of the victims, a 30-year-old woman, was listed in stable condition in an area hospital. Police are working to identify the other victim, who reportedly drove away from the scene in a black Buick.

The police report was logged at 9 p.m. Sunday, although it’s unclear when the fight started.

One of the Facebook videos reviewed by The Detroit News begins with two women trading blows, as a crowd closes in on them; most of the onlookers filmed the fight amid the sound of cheers. Some stood on vehicles in an apparent attempt to get a better view of the fight.

The stabbings were not captured in the video reviewed by The News.
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Old 04-14-2017, 06:42 AM   #106
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Detroit sucks because it's Detroit.

There are good cities that are thriving because of smart public investment. Illegal immigration is barely a blip on the radar. Lack of welfare and social services is a bad thing because it means more homeless and mentally ill on the streets. Lacking transportation infrastructure is a huge deal because it discourages development which leads to density which increases safety dramatically.

There's a great article on salon if I can find it when I get home about small towns vs big cities. I've lived in both. Small towns are unsympathetic to welfare because in a small town, the poor can get by. In a big city they end up on the streets. I agree that illegals drain the economy of a small city. They don't impact big cities nearly as much. You don't need public transportation nearly as much in a small town.

The problem is when cities tell small towns they need these investments (or when federal dollars are used on it) but it's also small towns believing their values work in the big city. They are run totally different. The irony is that while people on their typical targets of poor people and immigrants, the real reason Detroit fell was because of the fall of the private sector auto industry and the corrupt government support of it. The big 3 lost jobs to Asia competitors and built wildly unsustainable benefits and pensions. Welfare, immigration, etc... Are such a tiny blip compared to that.
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Old 04-14-2017, 06:49 AM   #107
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Let me guess, the city has a democrat mayor? Then, dare I ask how the city council leans?
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:05 AM   #108
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Let me guess, the city has a democrat mayor? Then, dare I ask how the city council leans?
Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1958.

One Republican served one term on the city council in the 1990s (there are 9 seats). The next most recent Republican elected to the city council was elected in 1965.
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:33 AM   #109
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Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1958.

One Republican served one term on the city council in the 1990s (there are 9 seats). The next most recent Republican elected to the city council was elected in 1965.
I think that is much more a symptom of crooked union ties which is usually a liberal thing. 2/3 of mayor's are liberals so if course there are a few that are disasters. There are plenty that are thriving too. It seems like a really common theme is manufacturing.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:19 AM   #110
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Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1958.

One Republican served one term on the city council in the 1990s (there are 9 seats). The next most recent Republican elected to the city council was elected in 1965.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:39 AM   #111
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Detroit sucks because it's Detroit.

There are good cities that are thriving because of smart public investment. Illegal immigration is barely a blip on the radar. Lack of welfare and social services is a bad thing because it means more homeless and mentally ill on the streets. Lacking transportation infrastructure is a huge deal because it discourages development which leads to density which increases safety dramatically.

There's a great article on salon if I can find it when I get home about small towns vs big cities. I've lived in both. Small towns are unsympathetic to welfare because in a small town, the poor can get by. In a big city they end up on the streets. I agree that illegals drain the economy of a small city. They don't impact big cities nearly as much. You don't need public transportation nearly as much in a small town.

The problem is when cities tell small towns they need these investments (or when federal dollars are used on it) but it's also small towns believing their values work in the big city. They are run totally different. The irony is that while people on their typical targets of poor people and immigrants, the real reason Detroit fell was because of the fall of the private sector auto industry and the corrupt government support of it. The big 3 lost jobs to Asia competitors and built wildly unsustainable benefits and pensions. Welfare, immigration, etc... Are such a tiny blip compared to that.
Yes please find that article from Salon and post it here. We all really want
to read it. Post as many Salon articles as you can find and do it really soon.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:56 AM   #112
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Old 04-17-2017, 07:35 AM   #113
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Why did you say " cities" when the article you first posted is about Detroit? Then you added one incident in a second city. You're making this seem like it's happening in every city as a new thing.
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Old 04-17-2017, 07:47 AM   #114
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Old 04-17-2017, 10:01 AM   #115
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There is a way to explain it. The world has had crazy people for years. There are still crazy people. But now many of them have a digital social platform to broadcast their craziness. Or for other people to communicate about their craziness.

Citing a few examples let alone in struggling cities does not point to a pervasive trend. Cities are not in decline. The bigger problem is that cities are on the rise to the detriment of small town America. I would say the rise in drugs and heroin in small cities is a much bigger cause for concern.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:26 PM   #116
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There is a way to explain it. The world has had crazy people for years. There are still crazy people. But now many of them have a digital social platform to broadcast their craziness. Or for other people to communicate about their craziness.

Citing a few examples let alone in struggling cities does not point to a pervasive trend. Cities are not in decline. The bigger problem is that cities are on the rise to the detriment of small town America. I would say the rise in drugs and heroin in small cities is a much bigger cause for concern.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:47 PM   #117
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Yeah, our inner cities sure are "on the rise"
I think he meant "raze" as in destroy, tear down, etc .

No one can look at the urban blight, crime and utter hopelessness and see even a glimmer of positives. The wired in political insiders are growing fat off tax funded help projects the never benefit anyone but bottom feeding city elected officials and cronies.
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I think he meant "raze" as in destroy, tear down, etc .

No one can look at the urban blight, crime and utter hopelessness and see even a glimmer of positives. The wired in political insiders are growing fat off tax funded help projects the never benefit anyone but bottom feeding city elected officials and cronies.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:24 PM   #119
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I think he meant "raze" as in destroy, tear down, etc .

No one can look at the urban blight, crime and utter hopelessness and see even a glimmer of positives. The wired in political insiders are growing fat off tax funded help projects the never benefit anyone but bottom feeding city elected officials and cronies.
Urban blight? Lol.
Urban growth is flattening but only after a significant recent urban population boom.

Crime rate has increased but that's only been the past 2 years or so, is largely concentrated in a few major cities (Chicago not surprisingly being the big one), and it's still well below historic levels. And that's only violent crimes. Property crimes have been dropping big time for many years.

Detroit and Cleveland are not representative of the state of the American city. Pointing out 1 or 2 examples of crime does not make it a trend. The claim that cities have turned into chaos is total hyperbole. Yes, there are some cities not doing well especially in a bad economy. Yes, some cities have terrible leadership. But there are also plenty of cities thriving and growing too.
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