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Old 04-12-2017, 08:32 AM  
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The decline of our cites. Sadly this sort of act is not unusual anymore

Our cities continue to decline into third world status. Once we used to read of tribal behaviors and warlords in far off exotic lands. Now its available here at home on any given day.




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Detroit police are poring over Facebook videos that show dozens of people cheering, laughing and videotaping a brawl between women that ended in a double stabbing.

The fight, which reportedly started over a parking space, happened Sunday evening at Rouge Park on the city’s northwest side, 6th Precinct Cmdr. Aric Tosqui said.

“It’s unfortunate that we as a society find entertainment in these kind of things,” Tosqui said. “In this case, people got hurt while everyone else stood around and filmed it instead of doing something.

“The case is under investigation, but one of the victims is uncooperative,” Tosqui said. “There were several videos posted to Facebook. We’ll be working with Facebook to gather all the videos so we can determine exactly what happened, and who was involved.”

Monday, police arrested two women, ages 21 and 22, in connection with the stabbings, Sgt. Adam Madera said.

One of the victims, a 30-year-old woman, was listed in stable condition in an area hospital. Police are working to identify the other victim, who reportedly drove away from the scene in a black Buick.

The police report was logged at 9 p.m. Sunday, although it’s unclear when the fight started.

One of the Facebook videos reviewed by The Detroit News begins with two women trading blows, as a crowd closes in on them; most of the onlookers filmed the fight amid the sound of cheers. Some stood on vehicles in an apparent attempt to get a better view of the fight.

The stabbings were not captured in the video reviewed by The News.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:30 AM   #46
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Probably some scary immigrant from hellholes like Canada, Northern Europe, Australia, Japan. You know the unwashed uneducated low brow types. Nice troll job though.
I wasn't trolling. That should have been obvious. Don't be such a dumbass.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:32 AM   #47
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I wasn't trolling. That should have been obvious. Don't be such a dumbass.
Certainly you are. No one would be making such absurd sweeping stupid comments and not be trolling.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:32 AM   #48
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1. The global economy is a competitive market. If someone who is educated and has job skills we need and has no need for government economic care wants to come here and work and improve our economy, why wouldn't we let them? Bringing all the best skilled labor and minds in that we can makes good economic sense for us all. Any smart business would operate this way.

2. Simply false.

3. There's plenty of empty space in this country, and plenty of room to build cities out.

4. I'm not talking about large scale immigration, I'm talking about selective admission of the best workers based on whether it's in our best economic interest.

5. I don't care about diversity. A person should be judged on what they do and what they contribute, not where they came from or what they look like.

As far as "destroying the country" goes, I'm not talking in any way about that type of immigration. I'm discussing people who bring something that will benefit us and who follow the legal process.

In aggregate, what a person looks like and where they came from determines what they will contribute. I simply cannot understand folks who continue to bury their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise.



What separates your quote from anything JeanClaude Juncker or Merkel say?
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:33 AM   #49
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Certainly you are. No one would be making such absurd sweeping stupid comments and not be trolling.
I'd say that you can't possibly be that stupid, but you've repeatedly shown the capacity to be just that.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:36 AM   #50
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You're destroying this country right now, aren't you.
I'm doing my best.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:39 AM   #51
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There are over 300 million Americans to choose from. There is no need to go outside the country for workers.
And fewer Americans than ever before are in the labor force. Many jobs types have shortages of qualified workers.

A productive person who works, earns, spends money and supports themselves without government assistance is good for the economy, regardless of what passport they carry.

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No, it's literally true. Outside of getting the absolute best in a very limited number of fields, nobody coming in is going to make the country better.
So if you had someone who was born in a neighboring country, who obtained a master of science degree in a certain field, who came to the United States legally and has worked for and to help advance an American company, has spent money, invested, bought property, and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes over the past 15-20 years in the United States, and eventually that person became a naturalized citizen, you'd say that person has not made the country better? That this person has played a part in "destroying the country"?
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In aggregate, what a person looks like and where they came from determines what they will contribute. I simply cannot understand folks who continue to bury their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise.

What separates your quote from anything JeanClaude Juncker or Merkel say?
Because I am an advocate of beneficial immigration under well-defined parameters, not of mass uncontrolled human migration.
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Because I am an advocate of beneficial immigration under well-defined parameters, not of mass uncontrolled human migration.
How unreasonable of you. You probably enjoy things like travel as well, to backward places like Ireland or Italy, even Canada ...they speak French there the stinking frogs.
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And fewer Americans than ever before are in the labor force. Many jobs types have shortages of qualified workers.
Think really hard on the implications of your words there, and then apply them to the discussion. With any luck, you'll figure out that you've just completely undercut your own arguments.

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A productive person who works, earns, spends money and supports themselves without government assistance is good for the economy, regardless of what passport they carry.
That's not necessarily the case. Even if it were always true, however, "good for the economy" is not sufficient grounds to be bringing people into the country.

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So if you had someone who was born in a neighboring country, who obtained a master of science degree in a certain field, who came to the United States legally and has worked for and to help advance an American company, has spent money, invested, bought property, and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes over the past 15-20 years in the United States, and eventually that person became a naturalized citizen, you'd say that person has not made the country better? That this person has played a part in "destroying the country"?
I would say that your definition of making the country better is probably a very foolish one. For ****'s sake, you're pointing to paying taxes as a country improvement.

For that alone, your argument is shit.
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I'd say that you can't possibly be that stupid, but you've repeatedly shown the capacity to be just that.
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How unreasonable of you. You probably enjoy things like travel as well, to backward places like Ireland or Italy, even Canada ...they speak French there the stinking frogs.
It didn't take you very long to prove my point.
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Because I am an advocate of beneficial immigration under well-defined parameters, not of mass uncontrolled human migration.
What are your parameters then? You gave nothing specific.
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What are your parameters then? You gave nothing specific.
I think a rough outline of a person we should admit would be

-They follow the legal process in all points
-They have never been in the country illegally
-They are proficient in English and meet a minimum educational standard, such as having a bachelor's degree or some sort of accreditation in a skilled trade.
-They pass a stringent background examination
-They are ineligible to ever be on public benefits
-They have secured employment prior to admission, and agree to leave if they are unable to maintain similar or better employment
-If the employer shows (by a process which needs to be greatly improved) that they are not able to place a qualified domestic worker in the position
-If the foreign worker is documented as being paid the same as a domestic worker would have been, if one had been available
-If foreign person maintains a completely clean criminal record

Perhaps more could be added. The process should be a breeze for desirable parties which will provide economic benefit, and closed to the rest.
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Think really hard on the implications of your words there, and then apply them to the discussion. With any luck, you'll figure out that you've just completely undercut your own arguments.
You'd have to understand why the labor participation rate is lower than ever to understand my response, i suppose.

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That's not necessarily the case. Even if it were always true, however, "good for the economy" is not sufficient grounds to be bringing people into the country.
By numerous measures that I described, that person's presence has benefited the Unite States... unless you are using another measure.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how that person is "destroying the country"

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I would say that your definition of making the country better is probably a very foolish one. For ****'s sake, you're pointing to paying taxes as a country improvement.

For that alone, your argument is shit.
It's one data point in a broad range of data points illustrating that this person has been a benefit by paying into the system and contributing to the economy, not spending a life drawing from it.
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How unreasonable of you. You probably enjoy things like travel as well, to backward places like Ireland or Italy, even Canada ...they speak French there the stinking frogs.
Heh. You might say that.
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