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Scientific Theories that were as wrong as the the Big Bullshit Theory and Evolution

I was told in another thread that a scientific theory was basically considered fact and that evolution and the the big bullshit theory should be accepted as fact too. I bring evidence to show that scientific theories that were once considered to be fact have been proven wrong over and over.

A superseded, or obsolete, scientific theory is a scientific theory that was once widely accepted within the mainstream scientific community but is no longer considered to be an adequate or complete description of reality, or is considered to be simply false. This label does not cover protoscientific or fringe science theories with limited support in the scientific community. Also, it does not mean theories that were never widely accepted. Some theories that were only supported under specific political authorities, such as Lysenkoism, may also be described as obsolete or superseded. All of Newtonian physics is so satisfactory for most purposes that it is more widely used except at velocities that are a significant fraction of the speed of light, and simpler Newtonian but not relativistic mechanics is usually taught in schools. Another case is the theory that the earth is approximately flat; while it has for centuries been known to be wrong for long distances, considering part of the earth's surface as flat is usually sufficient for many maps covering areas that are not extremely large, and surveying.

In some cases a theory or idea is found baseless and is simply discarded. For example, the phlogiston theory was entirely replaced by the quite different concept of energy and related laws. In other cases an existing theory is replaced by a new theory that retains significant elements of the earlier theory; in these cases, the older theory is often still useful for many purposes, and may be more easily understood than the complete theory and lead to simpler calculations. An example of this is the use of Newtonian physics, which differs from the currently accepted relativistic physics by a factor that is negligibly small at velocities much lower than that of light.

Spontaneous generation - is a principle regarding the spontaneous generation of complex life from inanimate matter, which held that this process was a commonplace and everyday occurrence, as distinguished from univocal generation, or reproduction from parent(s). Falsified by an experiment by Louis Pasteur—where apparently spontaneous generation of microorganisms occurred, it did not happen on repeating the process without access to unfiltered air; on then opening the apparatus to the atmosphere, bacterial growth started.
Transmutation of species, Lamarckism, inheritance of acquired characteristics - first theories of evolution. Not supported by experiment, and rendered obsolete by Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics, although some elements of Lamarckian evolution are coming back in the area of epigenetics.
Mendelian genetics, classical genetics, Boveri–Sutton chromosome theory - first genetical theories. Not invalidated as such, but subsumed into molecular genetics.
Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects. No experimental support (a notion rather than a theory), and rendered obsolete by genetic theory (see also fetal origins of adult disease, genomic imprinting)
Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air". No experimental support, and rendered obsolete by the germ theory of disease.
Preformationism – the theory that all organisms have existed since the beginning of life, and that gametes contain a miniature but complete preformed individual, in the case of humans, a homunculus. No support when microscopy became available. Rendered obsolete by cytology, discovery of DNA, and atomic theory.
Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny". See Baer's laws of embryology.
Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents, often associated with racism.
Vitalism – the theory that living things are alive because of some "vital force" independent of nonliving matter, as opposed to because of some appropriate assembly of nonliving matter. It was gradually discredited by the rise of organic chemistry, biochemistry, and molecular biology, fields that failed to discover any "vital force". Friedrich Wöhler's synthesis of urea from ammonium cyanate was only one step in a long road, not a great refutation.
Out of Asia theory of human origin – The majority view is of a recent African origin of modern humans, although a multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis has much support (which incorporates past evidence of Asian origins)
Azoic hypothesis - that marine life cannot exist below 300 fathoms. Disproven in 1850 with the discovery of Rhizocrinus lofotensis.
Chemistry[edit]
Caloric theory - the theory that a self-repelling fluid called "caloric" was the substance of heat. Rendered obsolete by the mechanical theory of heat.
Classical elements - All matter was once thought to be composed of various combinations of classical elements (most famously air, earth, fire, and water). This was finally refuted by Antoine Lavoisier's publication of Elements of Chemistry, which contained the first modern list of chemical elements, in 1789.
Phlogiston theory – The theory that combustible goods contain a substance called "phlogiston" which entered air upon combustion. Replaced by Lavoisier's work on oxidation
Point 2 of Dalton's Atomic Theory was obsoleted by discovery of isotopes, and point 3 by discovery of subatomic particles and nuclear reactions.
Vitalism - See section on biology.
Physics[edit]
Emission theory of vision – discredited by Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)
Aristotelian physics – superseded by Newtonian physics
Ptolemy's law of refraction, replaced by Snell's law
Luminiferous aether – failed to be detected by the sufficiently sensitive Michelson-Morley experiment, made obsolete by Einstein's work.
Caloric theory – Lavoisier's successor to phlogiston, discredited by Rumford's and Joule's work
Contact tension – a theory on the source of electricity
Vis viva – Gottfried Leibniz's elementary and limited early formulation of the principle of conservation of energy
"Purely electrostatic" theories of the generation of voltage differences.
Emitter theory – another now-obsolete theory of light propagation.
Balance of nature – superseded by catastrophe theory and chaos theory
Progression of atomic theory
Democritus, the originator of atomic theory, held that everything is composed of atoms, which are indestructible
John Dalton's model of the atom, which held that atoms are indivisible and indestructible (superseded by nuclear physics) and that all atoms of a given element are identical in mass (superseded by discovery of atomic isotopes).[1]
Plum pudding model of the atom—assuming the protons and electrons were mixed together in a single mass
Rutherford model of the atom with an impenetrable nucleus orbited by electrons
Bohr model with quantized orbits
Electron cloud model following the development of quantum mechanics in 1925 and the eventual atomic orbital models derived from the quantum mechanical solution to the hydrogen atom
All of classical physics, including Newtonian physics, superseded by relativistic physics and quantum physics. However, classical physics is a limiting case of the latter two theories, and it is often a very good approximation.
Astronomy and cosmology[edit]
Ptolemaic system – replaced by Nicolaus Copernicus' Heliocentric model.
Geocentric universe – made obsolete by Copernicus
Heliocentric universe – made obsolete by discovery of the structure of the Milky Way. Heliocentrism only applies to the Solar System, and only approximately, since the Sun's center is not at the Solar System's center of mass.
Copernican system – made obsolete by Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton
Newtonian gravity – superseded by general relativity, to which it is an excellent approximation unless typical speeds approach that of light in a vacuum (c). The anomalous perihelion precession of Mercury was the first observational evidence that Newtonian gravity was not totally accurate.
Luminiferous aether theory
Steady State Theory, a model developed by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and Fred Hoyle whereby the expanding universe was in a steady state, and had no beginning. It was a competitor of the Big Bang model until evidence supporting the Big Bang and falsifying the steady state was found.
Further information: List of hypothetical Solar System objects
Geography and climate[edit]
Flat Earth theory. On length scales much smaller than the radius of the Earth, a flat map projection gives a quite accurate and practically useful approximation to true distances and sizes, but departures from flatness become increasingly significant over larger distances.
Terra Australis
Hollow Earth theory
The Open Polar Sea, an ice-free sea once supposed to surround the North Pole
Rain follows the plow – the theory that human settlement increases rainfall in arid regions (only true to the extent that crop fields evapotranspirate more than barren wilderness)
Island of California – the theory that California was not part of mainland North America but rather a large island
Geology[edit]
Abiogenic petroleum origin
Catastrophism was largely replaced by uniformitarianism
Flood geology replaced by modern geology and stratigraphy
Neptunism replaced by plutonism
The following were superseded by plate tectonics:
Expanding Earth theory (superseded by subduction)
Geosyncline theory
The theory of continental drift was incorporated into and improved upon by plate tectonics
Psychology[edit]
Pure behaviorist explanations for language acquisition in infancy, falsified by the study of cognitive adaptations for language.[2]
Medicine[edit]
Theory of the four bodily humours (see also Four temperaments)
Eclectic Medicine – Transformed into alternative medicine, and is no longer considered a scientific theory.
Physiognomy, related to phrenology, held that inner character was strongly correlated with physical appearance.
Obsolete branches of enquiry[edit]
Alchemy, which led to the development of chemistry
Astrology, which led to the development of astronomy
Phrenology, a pseudoscience
Numerology, a pseudoscience
Theories now considered incomplete[edit]
Here are theories that are no longer considered the most complete representation of reality, but are still useful in particular domains or under certain conditions. For some theories a more complete model is known, but in practical use the coarser approximation provides good results with much less calculation.

Atomic nuclei disintegrate at high energy.
Newtonian mechanics was extended by the theory of relativity and by quantum mechanics. Relativistic corrections to Newtonian mechanics are immeasurably small at velocities not approaching the speed of light,[3] and quantum corrections are usually negligible at atomic or larger scales;[4] Newtonian mechanics is totally satisfactory in engineering and physics under most circumstances.
Classical electrodynamics is a very close approximation to quantum electrodynamics except at very small scales and low field strengths.
Bohr model of the atom was extended by the quantum mechanical model of the atom.
The formula known as Newton's sine-square law of air resistance for the force of a fluid on a body, though not actually formulated by Newton but by others using a method of calculation used by Newton, has been found incorrect and not useful except for high-speed hypersonic flow.[5]
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:09 PM   #121
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About 6000-7000 years old


WOW that is only off by 4.5 million years.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/74974...ect-ever-found

In 2014, scientists confirmed that a small zircon crystal found on a sheep ranch in Western Australia was actually a 4.4-billion-year-old piece of the Earth's crust. This made it the oldest rock fragment ever found on Earth. In comparison, our earliest fossils are only 3.5 billion years old.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:09 PM   #122
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Not necessarily. The age of the Precambarian era is established by faulty carbon dating. The article says hundreds of years before the flood. Not millions.
Do you know anything about dendrochronology?
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:11 PM   #123
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:12 PM   #124
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Absolutely. It is the perfect Word of God. I believe every word...... Literally
So is this close to the literal truth?


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Old 04-10-2017, 07:15 PM   #125
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Makes about as much sense as evolution.

And yet you believe in young Earth creationism because someone told you it was true. Amazing.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:17 PM   #126
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There are archaeological findings of Australopithecus. I'm not sure about what they were. But I don't believe that they were something that developed into humans. Either they were human, or they weren't.
And they are obviously less than 6,000 years old.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:20 PM   #127
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How old is the earth jj?
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About 6000-7000 years old
How do you reconcile that with cultures that existed 10K+ years ago?
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:22 PM   #128
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How do you reconcile that with cultures that existed 10K+ years ago?
Even the guy who came up with the date range for young earth creationism pretty much said it was a best guess based on what was in the bible, not that it was the actual age of the Earth.

Also, we know through DNA testing that the bible is wrong on the poof there were people in the garden of eden creationism.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:24 PM   #129
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So jj, do you take a 100% literal view of the bible?
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Absolutely. It is the perfect Word of God. I believe every word...... Literally


So much material here, it's hard to know where to begin.

Have you ever worked on the Sabbath day? If so, you must be put to death! What about any of your family members? Have any of them worked on the Sabbath day?
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15)
Do you have a daughter? I guess you're just fine with selling her as a sex slave, right?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)
If you accept the Bible as the word of God and you believe every word in the Bible is literally true, then you advocate murdering anyone who works on the Sabbath, and you think it's just fine to sell your daughters as sex slaves. Those things are in the Bible.

So, do you or don't you believe every word in the Bible to be absolutely, literally true?

Pro Tip: Those who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true are often people who have no idea what's really in the Bible.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:26 PM   #130
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Absolutely. It is the perfect Word of God. I believe every word...... Literally
Literally true?

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Old 04-10-2017, 07:26 PM   #131
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:28 PM   #132
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Absolutely. It is the perfect Word of God. I believe every word...... Literally
Oh. I missed this. The Bible is full of allegory, metaphor, figures of speech, and parables. I would say that if you don't get that then you probably don't understand what you are reading when you open your Bible up. It seems silly to me to stand on 'literal truth' on the goofier aspects of conversation when you pretty much have to interpret things in order to have any kind of reasonable biblical discussion.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:29 PM   #133
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Absolutely. It is the perfect Word of God. I believe every word...... Literally
If you read my posts on here, I believe in God as the creator. I also believe in the bible. However. If you believe that God was the creator and the earth is 7000 years old, you then must believe that he created the world with the intent on things appearing much older, millions of years older than they seem scientifically and that evolution and dinosaurs are real. That is why I believe in Intelligent Design. It requires faith, and makes sense of the writings in the old testament.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:35 PM   #134
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Maybe it's just me but if dinosaurs lived with humans they would be pretty popular in the art and culture of every group of people. I wonder why they ignored them in their art, imagery, and beliefs.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:39 PM   #135
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Oh. I missed this. The Bible is full of allegory, metaphor, figures of speech, and parables. I would say that if you don't get that then you probably don't understand what you are reading when you open your Bible up. It seems silly to me to stand on 'literal truth' on the goofier aspects of conversation when you pretty much have to interpret things in order to have any kind of reasonable biblical discussion.
The bible isn't interpreted, stevieray told me so!
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