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Scientific Theories that were as wrong as the the Big Bullshit Theory and Evolution

I was told in another thread that a scientific theory was basically considered fact and that evolution and the the big bullshit theory should be accepted as fact too. I bring evidence to show that scientific theories that were once considered to be fact have been proven wrong over and over.

A superseded, or obsolete, scientific theory is a scientific theory that was once widely accepted within the mainstream scientific community but is no longer considered to be an adequate or complete description of reality, or is considered to be simply false. This label does not cover protoscientific or fringe science theories with limited support in the scientific community. Also, it does not mean theories that were never widely accepted. Some theories that were only supported under specific political authorities, such as Lysenkoism, may also be described as obsolete or superseded. All of Newtonian physics is so satisfactory for most purposes that it is more widely used except at velocities that are a significant fraction of the speed of light, and simpler Newtonian but not relativistic mechanics is usually taught in schools. Another case is the theory that the earth is approximately flat; while it has for centuries been known to be wrong for long distances, considering part of the earth's surface as flat is usually sufficient for many maps covering areas that are not extremely large, and surveying.

In some cases a theory or idea is found baseless and is simply discarded. For example, the phlogiston theory was entirely replaced by the quite different concept of energy and related laws. In other cases an existing theory is replaced by a new theory that retains significant elements of the earlier theory; in these cases, the older theory is often still useful for many purposes, and may be more easily understood than the complete theory and lead to simpler calculations. An example of this is the use of Newtonian physics, which differs from the currently accepted relativistic physics by a factor that is negligibly small at velocities much lower than that of light.

Spontaneous generation - is a principle regarding the spontaneous generation of complex life from inanimate matter, which held that this process was a commonplace and everyday occurrence, as distinguished from univocal generation, or reproduction from parent(s). Falsified by an experiment by Louis Pasteur—where apparently spontaneous generation of microorganisms occurred, it did not happen on repeating the process without access to unfiltered air; on then opening the apparatus to the atmosphere, bacterial growth started.
Transmutation of species, Lamarckism, inheritance of acquired characteristics - first theories of evolution. Not supported by experiment, and rendered obsolete by Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics, although some elements of Lamarckian evolution are coming back in the area of epigenetics.
Mendelian genetics, classical genetics, Boveri–Sutton chromosome theory - first genetical theories. Not invalidated as such, but subsumed into molecular genetics.
Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects. No experimental support (a notion rather than a theory), and rendered obsolete by genetic theory (see also fetal origins of adult disease, genomic imprinting)
Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air". No experimental support, and rendered obsolete by the germ theory of disease.
Preformationism – the theory that all organisms have existed since the beginning of life, and that gametes contain a miniature but complete preformed individual, in the case of humans, a homunculus. No support when microscopy became available. Rendered obsolete by cytology, discovery of DNA, and atomic theory.
Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny". See Baer's laws of embryology.
Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents, often associated with racism.
Vitalism – the theory that living things are alive because of some "vital force" independent of nonliving matter, as opposed to because of some appropriate assembly of nonliving matter. It was gradually discredited by the rise of organic chemistry, biochemistry, and molecular biology, fields that failed to discover any "vital force". Friedrich Wöhler's synthesis of urea from ammonium cyanate was only one step in a long road, not a great refutation.
Out of Asia theory of human origin – The majority view is of a recent African origin of modern humans, although a multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis has much support (which incorporates past evidence of Asian origins)
Azoic hypothesis - that marine life cannot exist below 300 fathoms. Disproven in 1850 with the discovery of Rhizocrinus lofotensis.
Chemistry[edit]
Caloric theory - the theory that a self-repelling fluid called "caloric" was the substance of heat. Rendered obsolete by the mechanical theory of heat.
Classical elements - All matter was once thought to be composed of various combinations of classical elements (most famously air, earth, fire, and water). This was finally refuted by Antoine Lavoisier's publication of Elements of Chemistry, which contained the first modern list of chemical elements, in 1789.
Phlogiston theory – The theory that combustible goods contain a substance called "phlogiston" which entered air upon combustion. Replaced by Lavoisier's work on oxidation
Point 2 of Dalton's Atomic Theory was obsoleted by discovery of isotopes, and point 3 by discovery of subatomic particles and nuclear reactions.
Vitalism - See section on biology.
Physics[edit]
Emission theory of vision – discredited by Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)
Aristotelian physics – superseded by Newtonian physics
Ptolemy's law of refraction, replaced by Snell's law
Luminiferous aether – failed to be detected by the sufficiently sensitive Michelson-Morley experiment, made obsolete by Einstein's work.
Caloric theory – Lavoisier's successor to phlogiston, discredited by Rumford's and Joule's work
Contact tension – a theory on the source of electricity
Vis viva – Gottfried Leibniz's elementary and limited early formulation of the principle of conservation of energy
"Purely electrostatic" theories of the generation of voltage differences.
Emitter theory – another now-obsolete theory of light propagation.
Balance of nature – superseded by catastrophe theory and chaos theory
Progression of atomic theory
Democritus, the originator of atomic theory, held that everything is composed of atoms, which are indestructible
John Dalton's model of the atom, which held that atoms are indivisible and indestructible (superseded by nuclear physics) and that all atoms of a given element are identical in mass (superseded by discovery of atomic isotopes).[1]
Plum pudding model of the atom—assuming the protons and electrons were mixed together in a single mass
Rutherford model of the atom with an impenetrable nucleus orbited by electrons
Bohr model with quantized orbits
Electron cloud model following the development of quantum mechanics in 1925 and the eventual atomic orbital models derived from the quantum mechanical solution to the hydrogen atom
All of classical physics, including Newtonian physics, superseded by relativistic physics and quantum physics. However, classical physics is a limiting case of the latter two theories, and it is often a very good approximation.
Astronomy and cosmology[edit]
Ptolemaic system – replaced by Nicolaus Copernicus' Heliocentric model.
Geocentric universe – made obsolete by Copernicus
Heliocentric universe – made obsolete by discovery of the structure of the Milky Way. Heliocentrism only applies to the Solar System, and only approximately, since the Sun's center is not at the Solar System's center of mass.
Copernican system – made obsolete by Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton
Newtonian gravity – superseded by general relativity, to which it is an excellent approximation unless typical speeds approach that of light in a vacuum (c). The anomalous perihelion precession of Mercury was the first observational evidence that Newtonian gravity was not totally accurate.
Luminiferous aether theory
Steady State Theory, a model developed by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and Fred Hoyle whereby the expanding universe was in a steady state, and had no beginning. It was a competitor of the Big Bang model until evidence supporting the Big Bang and falsifying the steady state was found.
Further information: List of hypothetical Solar System objects
Geography and climate[edit]
Flat Earth theory. On length scales much smaller than the radius of the Earth, a flat map projection gives a quite accurate and practically useful approximation to true distances and sizes, but departures from flatness become increasingly significant over larger distances.
Terra Australis
Hollow Earth theory
The Open Polar Sea, an ice-free sea once supposed to surround the North Pole
Rain follows the plow – the theory that human settlement increases rainfall in arid regions (only true to the extent that crop fields evapotranspirate more than barren wilderness)
Island of California – the theory that California was not part of mainland North America but rather a large island
Geology[edit]
Abiogenic petroleum origin
Catastrophism was largely replaced by uniformitarianism
Flood geology replaced by modern geology and stratigraphy
Neptunism replaced by plutonism
The following were superseded by plate tectonics:
Expanding Earth theory (superseded by subduction)
Geosyncline theory
The theory of continental drift was incorporated into and improved upon by plate tectonics
Psychology[edit]
Pure behaviorist explanations for language acquisition in infancy, falsified by the study of cognitive adaptations for language.[2]
Medicine[edit]
Theory of the four bodily humours (see also Four temperaments)
Eclectic Medicine – Transformed into alternative medicine, and is no longer considered a scientific theory.
Physiognomy, related to phrenology, held that inner character was strongly correlated with physical appearance.
Obsolete branches of enquiry[edit]
Alchemy, which led to the development of chemistry
Astrology, which led to the development of astronomy
Phrenology, a pseudoscience
Numerology, a pseudoscience
Theories now considered incomplete[edit]
Here are theories that are no longer considered the most complete representation of reality, but are still useful in particular domains or under certain conditions. For some theories a more complete model is known, but in practical use the coarser approximation provides good results with much less calculation.

Atomic nuclei disintegrate at high energy.
Newtonian mechanics was extended by the theory of relativity and by quantum mechanics. Relativistic corrections to Newtonian mechanics are immeasurably small at velocities not approaching the speed of light,[3] and quantum corrections are usually negligible at atomic or larger scales;[4] Newtonian mechanics is totally satisfactory in engineering and physics under most circumstances.
Classical electrodynamics is a very close approximation to quantum electrodynamics except at very small scales and low field strengths.
Bohr model of the atom was extended by the quantum mechanical model of the atom.
The formula known as Newton's sine-square law of air resistance for the force of a fluid on a body, though not actually formulated by Newton but by others using a method of calculation used by Newton, has been found incorrect and not useful except for high-speed hypersonic flow.[5]
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Old 04-10-2017, 06:32 PM   #91
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If you haven't been there, you should go to the Grand Canyon some day. Before you go, study up a bit on geology. It may surprise you. History you can see right in front of you, with your own eyes.

Unless, of course, you reject geology. Do you reject geology too?
I have been to the Grand Canyon and have seen what was done by Noah's flood about 4000 years ago. It is truly a beautiful place.
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I have been to the Grand Canyon and have seen what was done by Noah's flood about 4000 years ago. It is truly a beautiful place.
You think that the Grand Canyon was formed 4,000 years ago?
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What evidence do they present that isn't presented in the Bible?
They have evidence that backs up what is in the Bible. Just go and check one out some time. You might as well ask me to tell you what exhibits are in the Smithsonian. I can tell you a little about it, but you just have to go and see it for yourself.
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They have evidence that backs up what is in the Bible. Just go and check one out some time. You might as well ask me to tell you what exhibits are in the Smithsonian. I can tell you a little about it, but you just have to go and see it for yourself.
What evidence do they present that backs up the Bible?
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Neither "There must have been a creator," nor even "there likely was a creator" follow from "We don't know and may never know how the Universe came into being (assuming it actually had a beginning, of course)."
Thus my point... This is where faith comes in... Some, as I do, believe there was a creator, although their is no actual proof for or against a creator. I think this was left purposely ambiguous by the intelligent designer.
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What evidence do they present that isn't presented in the Bible?
The gift shop has the compendium works and treatises of C.S. Lewis. Including the pop-up book versions.
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You think that the Grand Canyon was formed 4,000 years ago?
Although most people relate the Flood to “40 days and 40 nights of rain,” the Bible (Gen. 7) says that the Flood began when “the fountains of the great deep burst forth.” It seems that most of the water came from below, not from above. Few people realize what a tremendous amount of water is found in molten rock (magma) trapped beneath the earth’s surface! When a hole or crack develops in the solid rock capping the more liquid magma, the pressure release causes the super-super hot water to flash into steam, and “BOOM” we have an upward-outward rush of vapor, gas, dust, and ash, producing a volcanic explosion and/or an outpouring of liquid rock on the surface (lava)! A geologist looking for a way to start a worldwide flood could hardly come up with a better mechanism than breaking up the “fountains of the great deep!”

As the volcanic fountains opened up in what is now the Grand Canyon area, the colossally stupendous force just pushed the pre-Flood rock aside and tilted it up. The Precambrian rocks in the inner gorge are indeed cracked and tilted, and igneous intrusions cut across and between them, marking, I am suggesting, the beginning of Noah’s flood, recorded for our study.

The first Flood current in the area came with such tremendous force that it sheared off the tilted Precambrian rocks in virtually a straight line, producing the so-called “angular unconformity” and “great unconformity” diagrammed in Figure 34. Science tells us that the tilt-and-shear could not have happened slowly and gradually. One of the tilted units (the reddish Hakatai Shale) is so soft and crumbly you can dig it out with your fingernails. Another is so incredibly hard (the Shinumo Quartzite) that researchers can barely knock off a piece with a hammer. Had the rocks been tilted up slowly and eroded gradually by raindrops and rivers, the crumbly rock would be all gone, leaving valleys, and the hard unit would stick up in ridges and hillocks. Instead, it looks as if the Flood current that eventually deposited the Tapeats came in with such titanic force that the hard and soft rocks were sheared off almost equally in a nearly straight line.
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I have been to the Grand Canyon and have seen what was done by Noah's flood about 4000 years ago. It is truly a beautiful place.
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Although most people relate the Flood to “40 days and 40 nights of rain,” the Bible (Gen. 7) says that the Flood began when “the fountains of the great deep burst forth.” It seems that most of the water came from below, not from above. Few people realize what a tremendous amount of water is found in molten rock (magma) trapped beneath the earth’s surface! When a hole or crack develops in the solid rock capping the more liquid magma, the pressure release causes the super-super hot water to flash into steam, and “BOOM” we have an upward-outward rush of vapor, gas, dust, and ash, producing a volcanic explosion and/or an outpouring of liquid rock on the surface (lava)! A geologist looking for a way to start a worldwide flood could hardly come up with a better mechanism than breaking up the “fountains of the great deep!”

As the volcanic fountains opened up in what is now the Grand Canyon area, the colossally stupendous force just pushed the pre-Flood rock aside and tilted it up. The Precambrian rocks in the inner gorge are indeed cracked and tilted, and igneous intrusions cut across and between them, marking, I am suggesting, the beginning of Noah’s flood, recorded for our study.

The first Flood current in the area came with such tremendous force that it sheared off the tilted Precambrian rocks in virtually a straight line, producing the so-called “angular unconformity” and “great unconformity” diagrammed in Figure 34. Science tells us that the tilt-and-shear could not have happened slowly and gradually. One of the tilted units (the reddish Hakatai Shale) is so soft and crumbly you can dig it out with your fingernails. Another is so incredibly hard (the Shinumo Quartzite) that researchers can barely knock off a piece with a hammer. Had the rocks been tilted up slowly and eroded gradually by raindrops and rivers, the crumbly rock would be all gone, leaving valleys, and the hard unit would stick up in ridges and hillocks. Instead, it looks as if the Flood current that eventually deposited the Tapeats came in with such titanic force that the hard and soft rocks were sheared off almost equally in a nearly straight line.
So, a long yes? And, it's been a while again, but Precambrian was something like hundreds of millions of years ago, right? You acknowledge that Earth is at least that old?
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What evidence do they present that backs up the Bible?
See post 99 for one example
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So, a long yes?
Lol. Yes. I meant to include your other post asking what evidence they present, but I did't get that one quoted.
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Lol. Yes. I meant to include your other post asking what evidence they present, but I did't get that one quoted.
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