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Old 04-06-2017, 07:06 PM  
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Old 04-17-2017, 07:49 PM   #31
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That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.
The difference between great and good QBs is the clutch factor. It's about leadership. It's about the ability to carry a team when needed most. It's about 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. How many NFL games come down to the end?

This is why guys like Tebow and Manziel went in the first. This is why undersized Russell Wilson went in the 3rd instead of the 5th as originally projected. The guy had six fourth quarter comebacks and fame winning drives in one season at Wisconsin.

This is the most important quality for NFL IMO. You don't draft a guy in the first or second round who doesn't have that type of ability and leadership.
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Old 04-18-2017, 03:09 PM   #32
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The more I watch these Gruden videos, the more I lean to a QB in the 3rd. Give me Dobbs or Peterman this year and draft a keeper next year.
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Old 04-18-2017, 03:39 PM   #33
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Old 04-18-2017, 07:11 PM   #34
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Ok peterman Webb and dobbs aren't worth it
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:14 AM   #35
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The more I watch these Gruden videos, the more I lean to a QB in the 3rd. Give me Dobbs or Peterman this year and draft a keeper next year.
Yep, drafting quarterbacks in the 3rd will workout this time around. Because after all, it has worked out SO many times before. If you're going to wait until the 3rd for a loser like Dobbs or Peterman you're better off just drafting another position that is likely to contribute.
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:11 AM   #36
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The difference between great and good QBs is the clutch factor. It's about leadership. It's about the ability to carry a team when needed most.
Not in a team game. People want to fantasize that a QB does everything on his own.. but he needs the people around him to do their job too.

Imagine if Bowe taps that second foot.. imagine if Fisher doesn't get a holding flag... imagine several more instances in meaningful games... and the entire outside perception flips on its head. Even a few single plays.. in different games.. in different years.. where a certain player steps up strong instead of folds.. for his QB.

I do believe that some mentalities are inherently unwavering in strength, while some are weak and breakable... and you need to have a QB that stays confident that they will win out.

I don't believe in this mystical, magical clutch-gene. Not from Joe Montana... not from anyone.
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Old 04-19-2017, 06:55 AM   #37
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Not in a team game. People want to fantasize that a QB does everything on his own.. but he needs the people around him to do their job too.

Imagine if Bowe taps that second foot.. imagine if Fisher doesn't get a holding flag... imagine several more instances in meaningful games... and the entire outside perception flips on its head. Even a few single plays.. in different games.. in different years.. where a certain player steps up strong instead of folds.. for his QB.

I do believe that some mentalities are inherently unwavering in strength, while some are weak and breakable... and you need to have a QB that stays confident that they will win out.

I don't believe in this mystical, magical clutch-gene. Not from Joe Montana... not from anyone.
Great moments aren't possible without great opportunities. You don't get great opportunities in the NFL without a clutch QB.
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Old 04-19-2017, 07:03 AM   #38
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Great moments aren't possible without great opportunities. You don't get great opportunities in the NFL without a clutch QB.


That just might be the stupidest thing I've ever read.
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Old 04-19-2017, 07:43 AM   #39
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The more I watch these Gruden videos, the more I lean to a QB in the 3rd. Give me Dobbs or Peterman this year and draft a keeper next year.
Dobbs is a waste of a draft pick. The only thing he has going for him is his Manningesque forehead.
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Old 04-19-2017, 07:46 AM   #40
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Great moments aren't possible without great opportunities. You don't get great opportunities in the NFL without a clutch QB.
Ahhh dude... I personally witnessed many Chiefs playmakers with many great opportunities these past few years... Unfortunately, these ultimately became gaggles of missed opportunities, simply because we lacked a clutch QB.
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I don't know if you call it clutch but you need a an with the sack to put the ball into a window down the field when the game is on the line. That's a big reason I love mahomes.

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Where is the upside with Mahommes? I don't see it. When you guys watch him, do you think about how some of those throws would go in the NFL? I haven't seen one game where there is more good than bad pertaining to him. So what if has a big arm and can make some great throws? So could Billy Joe Tolliver... His vision is bad, his mechanics are bad, his accuracy is bad, his ability to go through progressions is bad, his fundamentals are terrible, and he doesn't take snaps under center. How can he possibly have the highest ceiling???? He will require his own QB coach and that won't be enough. He's a flash in the pan. He's no Dak Prescott. Dak was clutch at Miss. State. He had some huge wins. Mahommes is nothing like Dak.
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Where is the upside with Mahommes? I don't see it. When you guys watch him, do you think about how some of those throws would go in the NFL? I haven't seen one game where there is more good than bad pertaining to him. So what if has a big arm and can make some great throws? So could Billy Joe Tolliver... His vision is bad, his mechanics are bad, his accuracy is bad, his ability to go through progressions is bad, his fundamentals are terrible, and he doesn't take snaps under center. How can he possibly have the highest ceiling???? He will require his own QB coach and that won't be enough. He's a flash in the pan. He's no Dak Prescott. Dak was clutch at Miss. State. He had some huge wins. Mahommes is nothing like Dak.
He's young... cheap contract.. has a strong arm.. and isn't a pussy.

That is the true answer. Doesn't mean he will end up being successful... but it's what the people want. Can't say I don't understand it... but for me, winning seasons feel pretty good. I like them. Even if they come up short.

I'd go with a QB like Nate Peterman, and hope to keep a strong team around him. ( and healthy, FFS!!!!! )

whereas others are fine going 2-14 every year, so long as they are swinging wildly for homeruns.

I can appreciate that different viewpoint also... but 2-14 seasons are miserable.

I'll settle for enjoying the 4-ish month party.. having my slice of cake.. and wacking off at the end of the night. More enjoyable than screaming for the whole cake, throwing an embarrassing tantrum.. and then getting punched in the face by the hot girl that won't spread em for me anyway.
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He's young... cheap contract.. has a strong arm.. and isn't a pussy.

That is the true answer. Doesn't mean he will end up being successful... but it's what the people want. Can't say I don't understand it... but for me, winning seasons feel pretty good. I like them. Even if they come up short.

I'd go with a QB like Nate Peterman, and hope to keep a strong team around him. ( and healthy, FFS!!!!! )

whereas others are fine going 2-14 every year, so long as they are swinging wildly for homeruns.

I can appreciate that different viewpoint also... but 2-14 seasons are miserable.

I'll settle for enjoying the 4-ish month party.. having my slice of cake.. and wacking off at the end of the night. More enjoyable than screaming for the whole cake, throwing an embarrassing tantrum.. and then getting punched in the face by the hot girl that won't spread em for me anyway.
Peterman would be a fantastic #2. I'd draft him in the 3rd if available just for that. I don't see a franchise guy though. High floor/low ceiling. He'd be a great mop-up guy behind a struggling #1 or someone who could keep you afloat if an injury situation occurs. I agree that if you surround him with talent he could be effective, but not necessarily dynamic.
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Where is the upside with Mahommes? I don't see it. When you guys watch him, do you think about how some of those throws would go in the NFL? I haven't seen one game where there is more good than bad pertaining to him. So what if has a big arm and can make some great throws? So could Billy Joe Tolliver... His vision is bad, his mechanics are bad, his accuracy is bad, his ability to go through progressions is bad, his fundamentals are terrible, and he doesn't take snaps under center. How can he possibly have the highest ceiling???? He will require his own QB coach and that won't be enough. He's a flash in the pan. He's no Dak Prescott. Dak was clutch at Miss. State. He had some huge wins. Mahommes is nothing like Dak.
Your talking out of your ass mugsy and we've been down this to road on mahomes a dozen times. If you think all this about mahomes you really ought to reevaluate your opinion on dobbs.

If you expect a qb that took snaps from under center in college regularly then your list shortens significantly

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