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Old 04-06-2017, 07:06 PM  
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Old 04-11-2017, 10:44 AM   #2
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If we're going to take one at 27 I hope it's Mahomes.He seems to have a higher ceiling with a great arm.
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Old 04-11-2017, 10:54 AM   #3
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That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:19 PM   #4
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That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.
"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:14 PM   #5
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"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......
No, not like Alex.

He might be book smart, which leads to an ability to grasp concepts, but he isn't field smart.
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Old 04-12-2017, 12:19 AM   #6
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"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......
So because favre was a success, we should draft a QB with bad decision making. Ok.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:10 AM   #7
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So because favre was a success, we should draft a QB with bad decision making. Ok.
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Yes exactly what I said.


Don't be obtuse.

My devil's advocate position is to point out that "mental strength" in a qb can be diverse and overrated. You could have a guy who has every player's responsibility memorized, can read defenses pre-snap, memorize verbiage of 700 plays but then..... shits down his leg at the first sign of pressure and throws all that mental edge out the window.

Decision making may be related to the mental game, but there is something to be said about trusting your teammates, believing you can make plays and having the nuts to stand in there and deal.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:43 AM   #8
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I just don't see what the difference between Mahomes and Bray is in terms of talent. I get that Mahomes had much better stats but that's only because he was in an air raid offense versus the worst defensive conference in college football whereas Bray played in the SEC.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:10 AM   #9
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I just don't see what the difference between Mahomes and Bray is in terms of talent. I get that Mahomes had much better stats but that's only because he was in an air raid offense versus the worst defensive conference in college football whereas Bray played in the SEC.
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Umm ones gonna be a 1st round pick, while the other was an UDFA. They're not even in the same stratosphere as prospects.
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:12 PM   #10
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Umm ones gonna be a 1st round pick, while the other was an UDFA. They're not even in the same stratosphere as prospects.
Ok tell me how they're different in terms of ability. Mahomes is more athletic, I'll give you that. What else?
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:13 PM   #11
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Ok tell me how they're different in terms of ability. Mahomes is more athletic, I'll give you that. What else?
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You're literally comparing them because of their arm strength. That's it.
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You're literally comparing them because of their arm strength. That's it.
Exactly. He's also completely ignoring intangibles/character.
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You're literally comparing them because of their arm strength. That's it.
Well yeah and that's literally all anyone talks about when they talk about Mahomes. It's not like they talk about his accuracy or good decision making.

So how is that different from Bray?
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Exactly. He's also completely ignoring intangibles/character.
And you're ignoring that Bray had pro style elements in his offense and Mahomes played in the air raid offense against the worst defenses in college football.
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And you're ignoring that Bray had pro style elements in his offense and Mahomes played in the air raid offense against the worst defenses in college football.
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you do understand that the big 12 has the best offenses which make the defenses look bad stat wise. The big 12 defenses are very good. This whole narrative you're trying to push is stupid
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