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Old 01-27-2017, 08:06 PM  
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My as well get it started. Here's my "Matheny" lineup.....

Fowler CF
Diaz SS
Carpenter 1B
Piscotty RF
Grichuk LF
Molina C
Peralta 3B
Wong 2B
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My "Matheny" Starting rotation

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Wainwright
Lynn
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:15 PM   #121
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They should just have Wong watch Tony Womack replay's over and over all offseason. Instead, I'm sure Robby Cano was the option of choice.

Yuck.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:16 PM   #122
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There's no way Yadi isn't a Cardinal next year. I'll believe it when I see it.

And I'll watch Peralta lumber out there for a year if you promise me I get to see Machado wear the birds on the bat for the next 10 years at 3rd base.
Can we give him 20% more than he's worth for 20% too long and still pay less than $20 million/season?

Because if not, Mozeliak's out.

Machado is Barneys. Mozeliak's more of a Target man.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:16 PM   #123
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They should just have Wong watch Tony Womack replay's over and over all offseason. Instead, I'm sure Robby Cano was the option of choice.

Yuck.
Wong Gone, mother****er.

Wong. Gone.

{ugh...he actually had this put on a t-shirt. And wore it. In public. To spring training. I hate that man so much}
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:18 PM   #124
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Can we give him 20% more than he's worth for 20% too long and still pay less than $20 million/season?

Because if not, Mozeliak's out.

Machado is Barneys. Mozeliak's more of a Target man.
Surely to christ they'd be in on Manny if he hit the market right? I mean, it lines up to perfect for what they need. Right?

They'll tell us they tried and they came in 2nd, but ****.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:19 PM   #125
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Wong Gone, mother****er.

Wong. Gone.

{ugh...he actually had this put on a t-shirt. And wore it. In public. To spring training. I hate that man so much}
Yeah, I dunno how to respond to that.

Whats sad is that he actually has some quick hands, if he'd try to be a gap player instead of a 25 HR guy, I think he'd be somewhat valuable.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:24 PM   #126
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Surely to christ they'd be in on Manny if he hit the market right? I mean, it lines up to perfect for what they need. Right?

They'll tell us they tried and they came in 2nd, but ****.
Nah, they'll give Mike Moustakas 20% more than he's worth for 20% too long and then claim they don't have a place to put Machado.
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Nah, they'll give Mike Moustakas 20% more than he's worth for 20% too long and then claim they don't have a place to put Machado.
****, probably.

I've got my shit all lined up for Machado. Jersey, underwear, tattoo etc. I ****ing love that dude.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:29 PM   #128
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Machado is gonna be wearing Dodger blue in 2019. Gonzalez's contract ends in 2018 and they can just move Turner over to 1B. Even if the Cardinals wanted to I don't see them being in the ballpark of what its going to take to sign him.
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I figure the Dodgers will be big Eric Hosmer bidders, and potentially Bryce but I've got him in pinstripes.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:33 PM   #130
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I figure the Dodgers will be big Eric Hosmer bidders, and potentially Bryce but I've got him in pinstripes.
The Dodgers will be in on everyone. The amount of money they have on the books for 2019 right now is nothing. Pretty sure the only position player they even have signed for the 2019 season is Turner. Obviously guys like Seager will be there too, but...
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The Dodgers will be in on everyone. The amount of money they have on the books for 2019 right now is nothing. Pretty sure the only position player they even have signed for the 2019 season is Turner. Obviously guys like Seager will be there too, but...
But where do you put them all? If they get Hosmer, do they move Seager to 2b to make room for Machado at SS and Turner at 3b? Then when Turner's contract expires move Seager again? Or move Machado back to 3b?

I guess they could just swallow 1/2 of Turner's deal and move him outright - wouldn't be hard for them.

I just can't believe they're able to spend like this with the debt service that came on a billion dollar purchase price. They're still blowing teams out of the water in an environment where teams like the Cardinals have had their teams paid for for years. It's crazy.

And it's why Cards fans should be pretty disappointed if/when DeWitt decides to sell the team. When the folks that buy it also have to factor in the tens of millions they're spending every year for the right to own it, that's coming straight from their baseball ops budget.
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But where do you put them all? If they get Hosmer, do they move Seager to 2b to make room for Machado at SS and Turner at 3b? Then when Turner's contract expires move Seager again? Or move Machado back to 3b?

I guess they could just swallow 1/2 of Turner's deal and move him outright - wouldn't be hard for them.

I just can't believe they're able to spend like this with the debt service that came on a billion dollar purchase price. They're still blowing teams out of the water in an environment where teams like the Cardinals have had their teams paid for for years. It's crazy.

And it's why Cards fans should be pretty disappointed if/when DeWitt decides to sell the team. When the folks that buy it also have to factor in the tens of millions they're spending every year for the right to own it, that's coming straight from their baseball ops budget.
Move Turner to 2B. Hosmer at 1B. Machado at 3B.

Turners second most played position is 2B.
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Move Turner to 2B. Hosmer at 1B. Machado at 3B.

Turners second most played position is 2B.
Hard to ask an older player to make a switch to the other side of the diamond, even if it's a guy that's played there in the past.

2b requires more flexibility than people realize. Not just the pivot but merely the act of catching, turning and throwing. I think it's harder on the body than playing 3b and by a fair amount. More of the game is played behind you or moving away from you at that point as well.

That would be his age 33 season without having played a significant amount of 2b since 2011. Seems like a damn tough ask to me. I think that's why the Cardinals have finally given up on the idea of trying Carpenter at 2b even if it's far enough up the defensive spectrum to make him ridiculously valuable there if he's even adequate defensively.

It might work, it's just not the way I'd go about it.
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Overpay for him then if they have to. Enough coming in 2nd. They've struck out on so many free agents then overpaid for shit, enough.
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