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Old 01-03-2017, 12:25 AM  
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QB Impressions

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:23 PM   #61
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Mahomes is a baller, but he makes some of the stupidest, anti-clutch throws ever. Decision making is really weird at times. Reminds me of the late game shit that Rivers will do to lose games.
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Old 02-15-2017, 07:14 PM   #62
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Some decent QB discussion starts at the 5 minute mark. They debate whether Mahomes is the best QB in the draft and Matt Waldman says Kizer has a little Alex Smith in him...

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Old 02-15-2017, 09:17 PM   #63
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FWIW no Kizer in Kiper's mock
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:58 AM   #64
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FWIW no Kizer in Kiper's mock
JFC starting to buy into the possibility that he's there at 27.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:28 AM   #65
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Greg Cosell compared DeShaun Watson to Alex Smith. Um...what?
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:30 AM   #66
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The draft features possibilities like Deshaun Watson, DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky and Patrick Mahomes. Meanwhile, there are veteran options (either free agents or trade targets) like Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tyrod Taylor and AJ McCarron. What's the best option? I reached out to five personnel executives from teams with established quarterbacks and posed this hypothetical question: If your team had a glaring quarterback need, which option would you pursue to solve the problem? Here are their answers.

Executive 1:
Kirk Cousins
"My first option would be to find a way to get Kirk Cousins. I think there's a big dropoff after him, including college and pro options. If I couldn't land Cousins, I'd target AJ McCarron over Jimmy Garoppolo."

Executive 2: Tony Romo
"If you are close to winning, Romo is by far the best option. Obviously, if you are looking for a long-term solution, you would be more likely to pursue Garoppolo, (Mike) Glennon or one of the QBs in the draft."

Executive 3:
Romo
"I'd make a run at Tony Romo. I think he can still play at a high level."

Executive 4: Davis Webb
"If I were a team like Cleveland, I would take impact players at (pick Nos.) 1 and 12 and then trade back into the bottom of the first round for Davis Webb. I think he will end up being the best quarterback of this draft class."

Executive 5:
AJ McCarron
"I wouldn't feel good about making a major commitment to any of these quarterbacks. If I had to choose one, I would go after McCarron. Ideally, you get him for a late second- or early third-round pick. Then, if it doesn't work out, you draft a QB in 2018."

Summary:
That's two votes for Romo and one apiece for Cousins, Webb and McCarron.

Conclusion:
Most of these executives seem to prefer the veteran signal-callers over the quarterback options in the 2017 NFL Draft. However, the Davis Webb scenario for Cleveland has me intrigued (I need to go study some more of his tape). I think the best option might be to wait for next year before going all-in on a quarterback. In the meantime, do your homework on the quarterback options in the middle rounds of the upcoming draft and pray that you get lucky and land the next Dak Prescott.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:33 PM   #67
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Greg Cosell compared DeShaun Watson to Alex Smith. Um...what?
Many fixate on the NFL version of Smith.

Go back to Smith's Utah film. You will see the similarities...
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:40 PM   #69
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1. Wait till next year? On my podcast the other day, my old buddy from NFL Network, Daniel Jeremiah, and I discussed a concept that I believe will come up plenty in the weeks to come: Some teams drafting high could wind up punting on the 2017 draft class of quarterbacks altogether with an eye towards 2018. The most pro-ready of the 2017 quarterbacks, Mitch Trubisky, had a grand total of 13 college starts. One college scouting director told me he believes Clemson’s Deshaun Watson is a year away from being ready to play, and Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer is two years from that. And Cal’s Davis Webb and Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes come from an Air Raid style of offense that has made the NFL transition complicated for others (see: Jared Goff, Robert Griffin).

On the flip side, UCLA’s Josh Rosen, USC’s Sam Darnold and Wyoming’s Josh Allen have flashed top-of-the-draft potential, and all of them come from pro-style offenses and will have multiple years as starters under their belts in the spring of 2018. And on paper, it makes sense, and there will be teams that will determine there’s not a franchise guy in this year’s group, and that there will probably be more than one next year. Yup. Sounds great.

But the guys I talked to emphasized the risk in that sort of approach. “Sure, if you have job security and your owner is on board,” said an AFC exec. “You better make sure what you’re waiting for is worth it, though. This time last year, everyone would’ve said ‘Tank for Watson.’ Now, not so much. So you gotta make sure what you’re passing up isn’t gonna bite you in the ass. No one would’ve said ‘Tank for (Carson) Wentz’ a year ahead of time. Nobody even knew about the North Carolina kid last year. … If you find Andrew Luck in college football, yes, tank for him. But you better make sure you get him. It’d suck to be Washington and get the second guy.” The Redskins, you’ll remember passed on QBs in 2010 and ’11, then were one pick shy of Luck in ’12, winding up with Robert Griffin instead. (They did OK in the fourth round that year). “I’d say no on Rosen (there are off-field questions, in addition to a nerve issue he fought last year),” said the college scouting director who called Kizer and Watson projects. “Darnold, I like a lot, but needs to repeat that this year. He wasn’t good enough to start the season at USC—Why? And Josh (Allen) needs to make a lot of strides to be considered a top guy. He’s talented, but not accurate.”

Bottom line: Waiting is a dice roll, albeit one that could pay off big, and there aren’t many decision-makers who have the kind of job security to go through with it. That said, all those guys also are aware that getting it wrong in a pothole-ridden year for QBs like this one is just another route to the unemployment line.
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Man if Kizer was there at 27 you have to take him. That'd be awesome to get my Toledo boy here in KC.
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YOU could get an undrafted guy that's as good as Lynch. Does Nortwestern have another 7th round turd to beat him.out
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:09 AM   #73
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Scout: All the quarterbacks. They're terrible. I wouldn't want to put my job on the line for any quarterback in this class. And to think about taking one in the first round? No way. I'm sure someone will do it, but it's mind-blowing.
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...and they are all beyter than Lynch...ouch
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...and they are all beyter than Lynch...ouch
Everyone knew going into it that Lynch wouldn't be ready year one. Everyone. Why are you so surprised that he wasn't ready?

If you watched Lynch though, it was very clear that he has some rare traits. A guy that big, who can move that fluidly who also has a huge arm... if he reaches his ceiling it will be bad news for the NFL.
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