Bob Suttons Defense actually leads the league in sacks

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Hard to believe

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/t...nse/sort/sacks

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Has Reid ever done anything on the defensive side of the football? By most accounts, he gives Sutton a free hand.

If Andy did make that call, that is a mistake.

Andy runs the team. He has say in pretty much everything that goes on, including personnel decisions. That's how Veach ended up as GM and Dorsey ended up in Cleveland.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did you watch the replay on the Everett TD? Did you listen to the ESPN commentary?

Ron Parker bit up and left Everett one on one down the sideline. Ron Parker has done that more than once this season. He's not a good safety anymore. But there's nobody behind him to push him off the field.

Which I would prefer to have Lucas over Parker, regardless.

Then we can say that Lucas is young and inexperienced, yada, yada, yada, etc.

Parker, on the other hand... he's been in the NFL for quite some time, and he's still making errors like this.

Edit: There is a reason why he got cut by Atlanta, a safety starved team.

[Titty Meat]

Sutton isnt the issue.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Sutton isnt the issue.

Yup the lack of talent on that side is so bad.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Okay, he played one young player some of the time.

Had the lead with less than two minutes to go, and for the second time this year, Sutton calls a play that left a TE/WR wide ****ing open.

Defense had some good moments tonight, but at the end of the day they could not do it when it counted. Not even close. Sometimes the other team makes great plays...but the Rams did not need anything great on the last drive...they just walked right down the field.

That's the point of most of the discussion in this thread, really.

The defense looked serviceable the past several weeks but against all the likely playoff teams we've played this year, they have been clowned. Probably not going to make a deep playoff run when you have to ask so much of your offense every week.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did you watch the replay on the Everett TD? Did you listen to the ESPN commentary?

Ron Parker bit up and left Everett one on one down the sideline. Ron Parker has done that more than once this season. He's not a good safety anymore. But there's nobody behind him to push him off the field.

He's not good. You can't tell me Lucas is any worse and he was nowhere to be seen tonight.

Sutton just keeps doing the same thing over and over again. That final drive tonight looked almost exactly like the final drive at NE.

Sutton is just not good. The talent in the secondary is awful.

I say change both at the end of the year. I keep Fuller (he did not suck in Washington), replace the rest of talent in the secondary (including Berry if he does not get back on the field this year) and get a new DC.

The window is open now, but is going to start closing rapidly as Mahomes rookie deal passes and we have to re-sign our existing talent.

Drastic changes need to be done next year on the defensive side of the ball.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

That's the point of most of the discussion in this thread, really.

The defense looked serviceable the past several weeks but against all the likely playoff teams we've played this year, they have been clowned. Probably not going to make a deep playoff run when you have to ask so much of your offense every week.

Do you think the Rams are asking themselves that? Or the Chargers? Or Steelers?

ALL of the contending teams have the same problem. This is an offense-driven league now.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

That's the point of most of the discussion in this thread, really.

The defense looked serviceable the past several weeks but against all the likely playoff teams we've played this year, they have been clowned. Probably not going to make a deep playoff run when you have to ask so much of your offense every week.

Exactly. Offense has to play perfect to win against playoff teams but we can't expect that every week.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Yup the lack of talent on that side is so bad.

The secondary is amazing. Sorensen is such a great player and Nelson/Scandrick are #1 corners

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

He's not good. You can't tell me Lucas is any worse and he was nowhere to be seen tonight.

Sutton just keeps doing the same thing over and over again. That final drive tonight looked almost exactly like the final drive at NE.

Sutton is just not good. The talent in the secondary is awful.

I say change both at the end of the year. I keep Fuller (he did not suck in Washington), replace the rest of talent in the secondary (including Berry if he does not get back on the field this year) and get a new DC.

The window is open now, but is going to start closing rapidly as Mahomes rookie deal passes and we have to re-sign our existing talent.

Drastic changes need to be done next year on the defensive side of the ball.

Yup next season the Chiefs will have the cap room to fix the D but unfortunately Dorsey left us with cap hell

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Sutton just keeps doing the same thing over and over again.

Except he's not. He's changed a massive amount of things in the past 6 weeks and adds new things every game.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Do you think the Rams are asking themselves that? Or the Chargers? Or Steelers?

ALL of the contending teams have the same problem. This is an offense-driven league now.

Rams got two stops after the two minute warning, so probably not.

It is an offense-driven league, yes. But both defenses had opportunities to get stops inside the last two minutes to win the game. The Rams did it twice. The Chiefs shit the bed.

All contending teams have the same problem, but we have it to a much worse degree.

[lcarus]

Anyone else kinda miss defense in the NFL? I mean watching all the TDs and big plays is fun and of course I'm thrilled we are one of the teams that has one of those offenses. But its kind of absurd to a degree...

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Except he's not. He's changed a massive amount of things in the past 6 weeks and adds new things every game.

Yeah,we run new stuff every single game.

[O.city]

We’re arguijg about the defense in a game where the offense turned it over 5 times, twice leading directly to points and once putting them basically in field goal range.

And the d forced two turnovers and scored once themselves

This isn’t the old nfl. You guys need to realize yards don’t matter. Turnovers for a defense is what it is