Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-09-2014, 11:06 AM

Scott Pioli had four drafts. How many average starters did he acquire with those 30-odd picks that are still with the team?

Houston, Berry, Poe, and.......and......?

Strong record, brah.

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Scott Pioli had four drafts. How many average starters did he acquire with those 30-odd picks that are still with the team?

Houston, Berry, Poe, and.......and......?

Strong record, brah.

We've had this exact discussion twice. When either of us have anything new to say, I'm happy to have it again.

Prison Bitch · 09-09-2014, 11:07 AM

We were "absolutely f&&&cked" without Dustin Colquitt?

Steron · 09-09-2014, 11:07 AM

I like you Direckshun and typically enjoy your posts. But, Dorsey and Reid aren't going anywhere. Get over it, it's a pipe dream.

**Gonzo** · 09-09-2014, 11:09 AM

You seen mice?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-09-2014, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

We've had this exact discussion twice. When either of us have anything new to say, I'm happy to have it again.

It's a ****ing terrible draft record. Period.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 11:11 AM

You're spot ****ing on. Top to bottom.

Eleazar · 09-09-2014, 11:12 AM

I think that if Chiefsplanet had it's way, we'd end up firing everyone from the GM down to the hot dog vendors about every other year.

Big Poppa Payne · 09-09-2014, 11:12 AM

At what point do we turn our frustrations towards the Chunt? I think this goes above Reid and Dorsey. Has Chunt even made a decent hire since his dad passed away?

saphojunkie · 09-09-2014, 11:14 AM

I don't think Dorsey will be fired. You're right - he should absolutely have to earn his job THIS year, but I just think Hunt wants continuity. Dorsey and Reid will be retained. It's really tough... If we are in a position to draft a QB this year, and don't... I don't think I will be able to watch the Chiefs anymore.

Most likely Alex Smith will be retained, although I'm starting to think the best thing that could happen for this team is him suffering a season-ending injury. I don't hate Alex Smith like a lot of people, but I also recognize that he is never going to be one of our best players.

Smith's contract can be unloaded this offseason, but I don't think there's any way that happens unless he gets injured. I don't want to hope for someone getting injured, but...

We might need Chase Daniel to go lose 14 games for us so we can draft Mariota. You want to see hope in a franchise? You want to see season ticket sales SURGE?

Draft a ****ing QB.

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's a ****ing terrible draft record. Period.

You've said that both times. I've rebutted both times.

I fail to see what going through the exercise a third time accomplishes.

**tyler360** · 09-09-2014, 11:16 AM

Scott pioli was not a good drafter in any way shape or form. He had terrible drafts.

While Dorsey hasn't been much better, so far it would seem, there is no defending Fat Scott at all in any way.

mcaj22 · 09-09-2014, 11:19 AM

this is the first time I have ever 100 percent agreed with one of your threads/opinions.

i usually hate your side of Chiefs football but this is a topic with too many facts that makes it hard to counter

Marcellus · 09-09-2014, 11:20 AM

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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09-09-2014, 11:06 AM	#2
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Scott Pioli had four drafts. How many average starters did he acquire with those 30-odd picks that are still with the team? Houston, Berry, Poe, and.......and......? Strong record, brah. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-09-2014, 11:07 AM	#4
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09-09-2014, 11:12 AM	#9
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09-09-2014, 11:12 AM	#10
Big Poppa Payne Escalades Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lee's Summit, MO Casino cash: $10012188	At what point do we turn our frustrations towards the Chunt? I think this goes above Reid and Dorsey. Has Chunt even made a decent hire since his dad passed away?
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09-09-2014, 11:14 AM	#11
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4786250	I don't think Dorsey will be fired. You're right - he should absolutely have to earn his job THIS year, but I just think Hunt wants continuity. Dorsey and Reid will be retained. It's really tough... If we are in a position to draft a QB this year, and don't... I don't think I will be able to watch the Chiefs anymore. Most likely Alex Smith will be retained, although I'm starting to think the best thing that could happen for this team is him suffering a season-ending injury. I don't hate Alex Smith like a lot of people, but I also recognize that he is never going to be one of our best players. Smith's contract can be unloaded this offseason, but I don't think there's any way that happens unless he gets injured. I don't want to hope for someone getting injured, but... We might need Chase Daniel to go lose 14 games for us so we can draft Mariota. You want to see hope in a franchise? You want to see season ticket sales SURGE? Draft a ****ing QB.
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09-09-2014, 11:16 AM	#13
tyler360 Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $1627877	Scott pioli was not a good drafter in any way shape or form. He had terrible drafts. While Dorsey hasn't been much better, so far it would seem, there is no defending Fat Scott at all in any way.
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09-09-2014, 11:19 AM	#14
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	this is the first time I have ever 100 percent agreed with one of your threads/opinions. i usually hate your side of Chiefs football but this is a topic with too many facts that makes it hard to counter
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