Football Do you HAVE to start a 1st round QB?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-27-2014, 12:46 PM

It's time to open this up, and settle this shit once and for all.

1.1 - 1.32, in my opinion it doesn't matter. The majority of the QB's coming out of college aren't equipped for this league, and boy does it show.

The post-Stafford/Sanchez era of big money right off the bat no longer being an issue for these rooks is upon us, and I see no reason that one must be obligated to throw these guys to the fire. Cleveland apparently feels the same.

Hell, this discussion of possibly bringing in RGIII only solidifies the case. Your first round QB's in this new era by and large, will be developmental projects.

It is what it is.

Discuss.

Rams Fan · 11-27-2014, 01:36 PM

What happened to thumping for taking a QB in the first? Like you were for the better part of the 4 years I've been here.

Tacoman · 11-27-2014, 02:01 PM

I don't think he is arguing for or against taking a QB in the first with this post?

That being said, I totally agree. While on one hand it's a case by case basis ( obviously Luck fared pretty well), learning to read defenses at the NFL level and taking the beating in the process has ruined careers for a lot of guys that probably could have had successful careers. I think letting guys mature and learn from vets is the way to go.

**Easy 6** · 11-27-2014, 02:07 PM

You definitely dont have to, and probably 90% of the time you shouldnt unless its a once in a decade guy like Luck... but the public pressure to start them sure makes a lot of coaches and front offices succumb to it.

Like Bortles, it would almost certainly have been best to let him sit and learn for just one year.

**TimeForWasp** · 11-27-2014, 02:17 PM

Case by Case. It depends on how the rook picks it up and how bad your existing QB sucks.

milkman · 11-27-2014, 02:20 PM

Never believed that you had to start them immediately.

I think a number of huge investments were ruined because they were thrown to the fire much too soon.

**TimeForWasp** · 11-27-2014, 02:20 PM

I am wondering how Aaron Murray is doing. Anyone know?

**Easy 6** · 11-27-2014, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow

Case by Case. It depends on how the rook picks it up and how bad your existing QB sucks.

Thats true as well, each teams circumstances are different.

Bortles should've sat in Jacksonville, but if you put him on a complete team like Roethlisberger had his rookie year, its possible to start them effectively.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-27-2014, 02:31 PM

First, I want a 1st rounder and always will.

Secondly, I realize and acknowledge that the 'Luck's' are few and far in-between.

Third, the era of being forced to "start Stafford immediately because you drafted him 1.1 and paid Eleventy Billion to do so" is over.

It's over...

dead...

and gone.

The majority of these 1st and even 2nd round QB's don't need snaps, they need adjustment, tutelage, and steady cultivation.

When we do draft a 1, you won't hear me screaming "start him now", because I know better.

Valiant · 11-27-2014, 02:35 PM

I think you either have it or you don't. The only thing that effects it more is the stage you are on and coaching. RG3 did great his rookie year, worse after that. That could be injury or coach not adapting.

Look at Carr. He is on a complete shit team. He is doing great as a rookie. He should be getting killed like the rest of the rookie QBs. Sure you can have a coach tell you before what you are going to experience. But gametime matters more and how you react.

Coochie liquor · 11-27-2014, 02:38 PM

If/when we ever do draft a R1QB I don't know if this fan base can handle it. Like many other positions he'll have a bad 1st preseason game and be labeled a bust and we should fire the coach and FO because they drafted a bust QB.

**TimeForWasp** · 11-27-2014, 02:40 PM

I don't know why they don't replace QBs during the game more. If your starter is having trouble , go to the next guy.
Rinse and repeat. I don't understand why the nfl doesn't do similar to baseball and are afraid to do in game switches when the situation changes.

We don't have to have the mindset that the guy was benched, just replaced because of the situation.

Coochie liquor · 11-27-2014, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant

I think you either have it or you don't. The only thing that effects it more is the stage you are on and coaching. RG3 did great his rookie year, worse after that. That could be injury or coach not adapting.

Look at Carr. He is on a complete shit team. He is doing great as a rookie. He should be getting killed like the rest of the rookie QBs. Sure you can have a coach tell you before what you are going to experience. But gametime matters more and how you react.

I hope the Faiders get a new coach after this season who wants to draft one of the QBs in the upcoming draft and put Carr on the back burner. He might become a very good qb, I'd rather it not be for a team in our division!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-27-2014, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

If/when we ever do draft a R1QB I don't know if this fan base can handle it. Like many other positions he'll have a bad 1st preseason game and be labeled a bust and we should fire the coach and FO because they drafted a bust QB.

Probably.

**Mav** · 11-27-2014, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow

I don't know why they don't replace QBs during the game more. If your starter is having trouble , go to the next guy.
Rinse and repeat. I don't understand why the nfl doesn't do similar to baseball and are afraid to do in game switches when the situation changes.

We don't have to have the mindset that the guy was benched, just replaced because of the situation.

They do it not to shake the confidence is the player and the qb himself.

11-27-2014, 12:46 PM
Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Do you HAVE to start a 1st round QB? It's time to open this up, and settle this shit once and for all. 1.1 - 1.32, in my opinion it doesn't matter. The majority of the QB's coming out of college aren't equipped for this league, and boy does it show. The post-Stafford/Sanchez era of big money right off the bat no longer being an issue for these rooks is upon us, and I see no reason that one must be obligated to throw these guys to the fire. Cleveland apparently feels the same. Hell, this discussion of possibly bringing in RGIII only solidifies the case. Your first round QB's in this new era by and large, will be developmental projects. It is what it is. Discuss.
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11-27-2014, 01:36 PM	#2
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11-27-2014, 02:01 PM	#3
Tacoman Starter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Utah Casino cash: $10011744	I don't think he is arguing for or against taking a QB in the first with this post? That being said, I totally agree. While on one hand it's a case by case basis ( obviously Luck fared pretty well), learning to read defenses at the NFL level and taking the beating in the process has ruined careers for a lot of guys that probably could have had successful careers. I think letting guys mature and learn from vets is the way to go.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3757775	You definitely dont have to, and probably 90% of the time you shouldnt unless its a once in a decade guy like Luck... but the public pressure to start them sure makes a lot of coaches and front offices succumb to it. Like Bortles, it would almost certainly have been best to let him sit and learn for just one year.
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11-27-2014, 02:17 PM	#5
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Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	First, I want a 1st rounder and always will. Secondly, I realize and acknowledge that the 'Luck's' are few and far in-between. Third, the era of being forced to "start Stafford immediately because you drafted him 1.1 and paid Eleventy Billion to do so" is over. It's over... dead... and gone. The majority of these 1st and even 2nd round QB's don't need snaps, they need adjustment, tutelage, and steady cultivation. When we do draft a 1, you won't hear me screaming "start him now", because I know better. __________________ 1. Merciless, severe. 2. Given freely and generously. 100% refusal to overrate 20 year Head Coaches with ZERO **ing rings as a Head Coach. CP's Official Professor of 'Dem Blues for 2019/2020!**
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11-27-2014, 02:35 PM	#10
Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6442380	I think you either have it or you don't. The only thing that effects it more is the stage you are on and coaching. RG3 did great his rookie year, worse after that. That could be injury or coach not adapting. Look at Carr. He is on a complete shit team. He is doing great as a rookie. He should be getting killed like the rest of the rookie QBs. Sure you can have a coach tell you before what you are going to experience. But gametime matters more and how you react.
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11-27-2014, 02:38 PM	#11
Coochie liquor Bolton gonna knock you out Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Free Vybz Kartel Casino cash: $2732394	If/when we ever do draft a R1QB I don't know if this fan base can handle it. Like many other positions he'll have a bad 1st preseason game and be labeled a bust and we should fire the coach and FO because they drafted a bust QB.
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11-27-2014, 02:40 PM	#12
TimeForWasp Sprinkle in some Mahomes Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Butte Montana Casino cash: $7678507	I don't know why they don't replace QBs during the game more. If your starter is having trouble , go to the next guy. Rinse and repeat. I don't understand why the nfl doesn't do similar to baseball and are afraid to do in game switches when the situation changes. We don't have to have the mindset that the guy was benched, just replaced because of the situation. __________________ Posted via Slingshot using Rocks eBay sniper
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