Trading Eric Berry - Page 5

Direckshun · 11-18-2014, 02:06 PM

I think it might be time to evaluate what we could net in a trade for Eric Berry.

The Chiefs will probably be happy to part with Berry and his likely $9m/year contract demands if they can replace him with someone cheaper who does his job just as well in Ron Parker.

If we were to trade Eric Berry for a draft pick, what do you think he would net? I believe he could net a 2nd rounder + another pick.

If we were to trade Berry for a player, what do you think he would net?

I think he could net us a very productive, Pro Bowl caliber WR that a team is looking to move away from.

The obvious candidates, to my mind, are Pierre Garcon, Marques Colston, and of course Vincent Jackson.

Keep in mind that Eric Berry is 25.

Garcon is 28 years old, and look at these stats over the past year and a half: 156 receptions for over 1,800 yards. He's the kind of smart route-runner that Alex Smith loves throwing to. The Redskins might not be interested in paying him after having to pay DeSean Jackson (just a guess).

Colston is 31, so I like that idea less... Over the past year and a half, he's had 109 receptions the past year and a half for over 1,300 yards.

Vincent Jackson is 31 and the most expensive of the bunch, but he's had 120 receptions over the past year and a half for nearly 1,800 yards.

I don't like the return on any of those guys, I'd rather keep Berry. Are there better ones you can think of?

RunKC · 11-18-2014, 10:16 PM

So we trade Eric Berry, then we are left with the following:

Parker-1 year wonder?
Abdullah-1 year left on contract.
Commings-always hurt.
Coleman-good with run support. Not quite there with pass pro.
McCray-fodder IMO.

You would think they would add someone in the first 4 rounds to add valuable depth.

If one of Poe, Bailey, Houston or Ford get hurt, that could really expose us.

Dante84 · 11-18-2014, 10:32 PM

You know what's nice about all this Cobb talk...

...is that one of the guys who drafted the forber QB from Kentucky as a WR...

...is our GM.

If its one position I trust Dorsey to evaluate for the draft, its WR. Green Bay has had a glut of WR talent for the last 20 years, the same way the Chiefs always seem to have RB's.

Drafted w/ Dorsey at the helm:
Robert Brooks
Antonio Freeman
Donald Driver (in the 7th round!!)
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb

Discuss Thrower · 11-18-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DA_T_84

You know what's nice about all this Cobb talk...

...is that one of the guys who drafted the forber QB from Kentucky as a WR...

...is our GM.

If its one position I trust Dorsey to evaluate for the draft, its WR. Green Bay has had a glut of WR talent for the last 20 years, the same way the Chiefs always seem to have RB's.

Drafted w/ Dorsey at the helm:
Robert Brooks
Antonio Freeman
Donald Driver (in the 7th round!!)
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb

You can only give partial credit to Dorsey in drafting Driver, as he was the Seahawks Dir. of Pro Personnel the year he was drafted.

Dante84 · 11-18-2014, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You can only give partial credit to Dorsey in drafting Driver, as he was the Seahawks Dir. of Pro Personnel the year he was drafted.

Ah, fair point.

Dorsey left his post as Director of College Scouting in GB for Seattle in January of '99, the Driver draft was in April of '99, and then he returned to GB in January '00.

He does not get full, or possibly any, credit for the Driver pick.

jonzie04 · 11-19-2014, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Him or Kevin Lockett, Nelson agholor, rashad Greene, stefon diggs, Ty Montgomery.

So many to choose from

Or antwan goodley.

jonzie04 · 11-19-2014, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And it's not like Ron Parker is going to break the bank, ffs, the guy isn't going to get a contract larger than Abdullah.

Hudson isn't going to break the bank either and Bowe will have to restructure no matter what.

Idk Abdullah hadn't done much last season, Ron has played good for quite some time now. The guys on NFL.com were calling him a star in the making. We need to lock that guy up NOW. All 32 teams would love to have a guy capable of manning up a speedy wr, and is also capable of playing SS, and a good tackler.

Direckshun · 11-19-2014, 12:40 AM

Let's say this shit with DeSean Jackson goes sour in Washington.

Do you guys trade Eric Berry for DeSean straight up?

jonzie04 · 11-19-2014, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Let's say this shit with DeSean Jackson goes sour in Washington.

Do you guys trade Eric Berry for DeSean straight up?

He'll yes. not a lot of guys id trade berry for. But id definitely get rid of him for a younger pro bowl/all pro caliber player at a more important position.

Direckshun · 11-19-2014, 12:48 AM

Jackson's 27, two years older than Berry.

jonzie04 · 11-19-2014, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Jackson's 27, two years older than Berry.

I worded that kind of funny. I just meant younger, not younger than berry. It felt weird to call djax young. Someone we could get 4-5 years out of at the minimum.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-19-2014, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Let's say this shit with DeSean Jackson goes sour in Washington.

Do you guys trade Eric Berry for DeSean straight up?

No way. DAT has all the talent to become a DeSean clone, without all of the baggage.

If Berry is traded, it should be for picks, not a player. IF the Chiefs were to trade Berry, they may have two picks in each round from 2-7.

That would be a total game changer.

Direckshun · 11-19-2014, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No way. DAT has all the talent to become a DeSean clone, without all of the baggage.

If Berry is traded, it should be for picks, not a player. IF the Chiefs were to trade Berry, they may have two picks in each round from 2-7.

That would be a total game changer.

I think that's almost too many, to be honest.

The Chiefs are likely Super Bowl contenders in 2015. Stocking the team with a baker's dozen of rookies hurts that cause.

Because of the compensatory picks we're getting, we're likely going to have 11 draft picks.

Draft picks for Berry don't do us a lot of good, not in 2015.

I might actually be down for trading away Eric Berry for high draft picks in 2016. That's unconventional, but so is nearly everything else he's done.

Direckshun · 11-19-2014, 01:09 AM

That said, let's say the team re-signs Parker, keeps Abdullah, and brings back Coleman for vet minimum. Trades Berry for Jackson.

Let's go nuts on this. Let's say they spend their 1st rounder on the best CB available. 2nd round they bring in a WR. In the third, they net a RT and ILB.

Draft BPA the rest of the way.

QB: Smith
RB: Charles, Davis, DAT
FB: Sherman

WR: Bowe, Jackson, 2nd rounder, DAT
TE: Kelce

OL: Fisher, Allen, Hudson, Fulton, Stephenson, (+ 3rd rounder)

DL: Poe, Bailey, Howard, Catapano

Edge rushers: Houston, Hali?, Ford
ILB: 3rd rounder, Mauga

CB: Smith, Gaines, 1st rounder
S: Abdullah, Parker, Coleman, Commings

That's a Super Bowl-caliber roster.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-19-2014, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think that's almost too many, to be honest.

I'm really not into speculative discussions but if the Chiefs got a 2 & 4 (or 5) for Berry, they'd have a lot of ammo to move up and down throughout the draft as well as add a pick or two for 2015.

Direckshun · 11-19-2014, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm really not into speculative discussions but if the Chiefs got a 2 & 4 (or 5) for Berry, they'd have a lot of ammo to move up and down throughout the draft as well as add a pick or two for 2015.

And while I'd be down for that, I haven't seen anything from Dorsey suggesting he's even capable of moving around in the draft.

We haven't moved in the Draft since 2011. I've had the "we can totally move around in the draft!" line of thinking conditioned out of me.

11-18-2014, 02:06 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4443447	Trading Eric Berry I think it might be time to evaluate what we could net in a trade for Eric Berry. The Chiefs will probably be happy to part with Berry and his likely $9m/year contract demands if they can replace him with someone cheaper who does his job just as well in Ron Parker. If we were to trade Eric Berry for a draft pick, what do you think he would net? I believe he could net a 2nd rounder + another pick. If we were to trade Berry for a player, what do you think he would net? I think he could net us a very productive, Pro Bowl caliber WR that a team is looking to move away from. The obvious candidates, to my mind, are Pierre Garcon, Marques Colston, and of course Vincent Jackson. Keep in mind that Eric Berry is 25. Garcon is 28 years old, and look at these stats over the past year and a half: 156 receptions for over 1,800 yards. He's the kind of smart route-runner that Alex Smith loves throwing to. The Redskins might not be interested in paying him after having to pay DeSean Jackson (just a guess). Colston is 31, so I like that idea less... Over the past year and a half, he's had 109 receptions the past year and a half for over 1,300 yards. Vincent Jackson is 31 and the most expensive of the bunch, but he's had 120 receptions over the past year and a half for nearly 1,800 yards. I don't like the return on any of those guys, I'd rather keep Berry. Are there better ones you can think of?
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11-18-2014, 10:16 PM	#61
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2339611	So we trade Eric Berry, then we are left with the following: Parker-1 year wonder? Abdullah-1 year left on contract. Commings-always hurt. Coleman-good with run support. Not quite there with pass pro. McCray-fodder IMO. You would think they would add someone in the first 4 rounds to add valuable depth. If one of Poe, Bailey, Houston or Ford get hurt, that could really expose us. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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11-18-2014, 10:32 PM	#62
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11-19-2014, 12:40 AM	#67
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4443447	Let's say this shit with DeSean Jackson goes sour in Washington. Do you guys trade Eric Berry for DeSean straight up?
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11-19-2014, 12:48 AM	#69
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4443447	Jackson's 27, two years older than Berry.
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11-19-2014, 01:09 AM	#73
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4443447	That said, let's say the team re-signs Parker, keeps Abdullah, and brings back Coleman for vet minimum. Trades Berry for Jackson. Let's go nuts on this. Let's say they spend their 1st rounder on the best CB available. 2nd round they bring in a WR. In the third, they net a RT and ILB. Draft BPA the rest of the way. QB: Smith RB: Charles, Davis, DAT FB: Sherman WR: Bowe, Jackson, 2nd rounder, DAT TE: Kelce OL: Fisher, Allen, Hudson, Fulton, Stephenson, (+ 3rd rounder) DL: Poe, Bailey, Howard, Catapano Edge rushers: Houston, Hali?, Ford ILB: 3rd rounder, Mauga CB: Smith, Gaines, 1st rounder S: Abdullah, Parker, Coleman, Commings That's a Super Bowl-caliber roster.
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