Ned Yost Hate Thread

[MrGiggity]

This guy is a dickless pussy, and yes I know that is sort of an oxy moron. And yes Ned Yost deserves his own hate thread. This guy is clueless as f*** and George Bush is more suited to be a manager then him. F*** Ned Yost. Right in his ass.

[Simply Red]

You all should be embarrassed for such a disgusting thread - this is a fine, fine man here. He's a father-like presence in the dugout -so bow down and praise Allah next time you attend Royals Stadium.

[MrGiggity]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

You all should be embarrassed for such a disgusting thread - this is a fine, fine man here. He's a father-like presence in the dugout -so bow down and praise Allah next time you attend Royals Stadium.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I couldn't help but notice how large the crowd at the K was today. I can admire fan dedication, but For the life of me, why would people go out there and support this product?


The fans need to demand better and KC deserves a better franchise. There seems to be little pressure on this organization to change.

I haven't been back to the K sense the one game I went too and Mark McGwire hit 3 HR with the Oakland A's. That was 95 or 96 I think?



I'd go back but if I lived in Kansas City I wouldn't be going to support them, but maybe a handful of games to boo.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It has been brought up in other threads but in baseball, the coach is the most meaningless of all coaches in major sports. He makes some ****ing dumb decisions, sure, but the players are ****ing horrendously bad and have no fire. Blame goes all-around...these team is full of turds.

I don't know about that.

The Royals were 17-10 after 27 games. In the 28th game, Ned Yost made one of the most ****ing STUPID decisions ever. Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout with 9 strikeouts in 8 innings. He had only thrown 102 pitches. Ned Yost yanked Shields and sent Greg Holland out to pitch the 9th. Holland blew yet another save, and the Royals lost 2-1.

The Royals are 4-16 since then, and Yost continues to make blunder after blunder. That's one very big reason why this team has no fire. They've given up on Ned Yost because they know he is the dumbest manager in baseball.

Moustakas and Hosmer know that Ned doesn't hold them accountable. That's why Moustakas hits .170 yet refuses to look at film to figure out what he's doing wrong, and it's why Hosmer hasn't pulled a ball with any authority in over a year. Yost treats these guys with kid gloves when they need to have their asses kicked and sent down to Omaha to figure it out. Put Tejada at third, Butler at first, and Frenchy at DH.

[Nightfyre]

One thing that really concerns me is that moose, perez and hos all did better at the major league level before the coaching staff had a chance to **** with them. Then they all fall apart and lose their power after being in the majors foor a while. Sure some of that is the league adjusting to them, but surely not all of it.

[Stanley Nickels]

The exchange between ChiefsandO's and lew is the exact reason why Ned is to blame. Yes, MLB managers are the least impactful of any major sport (right next to soccer), but Yost has done a tremendous job of arguing against that wisdom. If a player doesn't want to watch his at-bats, tough-- Yost needs to sit his ass down and demand it. If your team is laughing through the 10th straight abysmal season (yes, AN ENTIRE DECADE OF MISERY), the manager needs heads to roll, leaving no cow too sacred for the butcher. Unfortunately for Ned, heads rolling comes in the form of suggesting the players don't fraternize with the opponents. That's like a mother reprimanding a disrespectful son for acting out by only allowing her son to play XBox without the headset and mic; you're not really inflicting any hardship. This entire organization has the collective manhood of a eunuch colony, and it starts at the Glass prostate, a festering cancer that seems to be completely content seeing no action ever, as long as the pieces are still technically functional. It's absurd.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Ned Yost is just Daytons pawn. No more no less. Hard to blame Ned. Sure, many ppl on this board could even do a better job than him (as you can see I dont value MLB managers). But, the Royals would still suck with or without Ned. Hosmer and Moose dont suck because of Ned. They just might not be very good. A good manager comoared to a bad manager in MLB is woth like 4 wins max.

Pretty much this. Every few years, I see the same thing. Fans hate the manager, barely say a thing about the GM. Baseball managers are close to irrelevant unless they are injuring their pitchers or playing small-ball. GM's should always get the heat for failure, but they rarely do.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Yost has done a tremendous job of arguing against that wisdom.

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

Isn't that the point of posting? Asserting an opinion? I must be missing something.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

GM then Yost, in that order to be blamed.

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

Here's my frustration: we're talking about players in their mid-20s. These are grown men, but they hardly have the wisdom of people in even their 30s. If I knew in my early- to mid-20s what I know at THIRTY, I would have been on a completely different path in life. The managers and coaches, ESPECIALLY those in a game that requires so few interruptions throughout the course of a game (as opposed to, say, football or basketball), and even MORE SO on a young team that needs direction, should provide guidance, reassurance, and discipline. I FEEL (I apparently have to say that, because you seem to think my posts are me making a declarative with every sentence) that Yost and crew fail in those regards. Where does the blame lie for our major issues this year?

LineupS (I can't really capitalize that S enough): YOST. Batting Chris Getz at 1 is a desperation move that is the closest thing to a metaphorical white flag as you'll see.
Pitching change decisions: YOST, but these decisions have been below-average at best, so I won't get on his case too much.
Francouer: Moore
Hosmer: YOST. The potential is there, we all know it. Players slump; again, we all know it. But this slump has been consistent and he's not an outlier against a team full of power bats. Something has failed to be rectified.
Moustakas: Yost AND Moore. He should've been sent down. We did it for Gordon, we could do it for Moose. If the rumors are true, and Moose simply won't watch his at-bats, that is an absolute mental weakness, and that the coaching staff won't force the issue is a clear failure on their part.

I'm sorry, I just see too many signs of failure from the bench team to place this lump of shit at the feet of Dayton Moore. Yes, he shares a large amount of the blame, but I FEEEEL that Yost deserves the ax first. I wouldn't, of course, be opposed to both receiving a swift kick out of the proverbial door. I just wish Glass would try kicking both at the same time and somehow suffer a coma-inducing concussion. But this is all pipe dreams; we are shit, we've been shit for the past 28 years, and we'll continue to be shit.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

I think he has some solid evidence to back his argument.

1. Yost is the one that insisted on hitting for more power. Seitzer was fired because of that. 2 hitting coaches were brought it. Our entire team now sucks at hitting the ball more than they ever have.

2. Yost pulled the guy who was supposed to be our stud in a 1-0 game going into the 9th at home. He opted to go with a Pen that had been meh at best and ended up snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. He also sent a message, intentionally or not that I don't think was well received, wittingly or not.

3. He moved the best leadoff hitter in the AL to the #3 spot. Since then we have gone 4-16 and all we hear is talk about not having a leadoff hitter.

4. He moved Getz into the leadoff spot. Nuff said on that one.

5. In a tie game he brought in Herrera who has been shelled thus far into the season only to watch him get shelled again to blow the tie and the game.

6. In the top of the 9th, down by 1, he brought EJ in to run for Belly with Hosmer at the plate. Yost never sent EJ on a steal to 2nd even though he had plenty of time as well as a batter who has been hitting at the infielders with regularity. Late in the AB, Hosmer gets a hit and EJ goes to 3rd instead of tying the game

7. He's played French too much

8. He's played Moose too much

9. Today was a whopper. Down by 3, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs and the tying run coming to the plate. Tejada is available to hit but instead Yost sends Moore to the plate. Moore, a guy who has not seen 1 pitch in the majors this season is sent to the plate in a clutch situation while a veteran hitter with power is left on the bench.


This is just the glaring.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Here's my frustration: we're talking about players in their mid-20s. These are grown men, but they hardly have the wisdom of people in even their 30s. If I knew in my early- to mid-20s what I know at THIRTY, I would have been on a completely different path in life. The managers and coaches, ESPECIALLY those in a game that requires so few interruptions throughout the course of a game (as opposed to, say, football or basketball), and even MORE SO on a young team that needs direction, should provide guidance, reassurance, and discipline. I FEEL (I apparently have to say that, because you seem to think my posts are me making a declarative with every sentence) that Yost and crew fail in those regards. Where does the blame lie for our major issues this year?

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think he has some solid evidence to back his argument.

If you combine all of that, you might come up with a fraction of an expected loss.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

Regardless Yost is still their leader and has to guide them.