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Old 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM  
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Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
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Sunce you have abandoned all hope, maybe you can become a Cubs or Yankees fan now?
The team needs an enema.
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Old 02-28-2018, 08:58 AM   #182
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The team needs an enema.
I disagree. It's been a couple of average years. We are not use to that so it stands out. We need a new manager and for whatever reason our owner loves the guy.

They did get Ozuna this off season. That was not the incremental move we are use to from the FO. We have always had a top 10 payroll. We were 14 last year and this year 12th so far. If we are average again this year and they dont spend the money on one of those big time FA next year, I'll join ya and Ocity in your depression.

We need more offense in 2019 but our pitching in 2019 will be playoff caliber.

I'm going to spend the afternoon in the Florida sunshine. 77 degrees with the ocean breeze blowing in watching my team. It's still enjoyable to me.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:32 AM   #183
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As some here have put it more eloquently than I can, they're scared.

They need to pay big for a bat to play 3rd base. Doubtful it happens.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:52 PM   #184
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As some here have put it more eloquently than I can, they're scared.

They need to pay big for a bat to play 3rd base. Doubtful it happens.
Even if they pay big, StL hasnt been a preferred destination for big name free agents in a while.

Donaldson is your best hope because his age and cost will scare some teams away, but Machado will have his choice of the lot.
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I disagree. It's been a couple of average years. We are not use to that so it stands out. We need a new manager and for whatever reason our owner loves the guy.

They did get Ozuna this off season. That was not the incremental move we are use to from the FO. We have always had a top 10 payroll. We were 14 last year and this year 12th so far. If we are average again this year and they dont spend the money on one of those big time FA next year, I'll join ya and Ocity in your depression.

We need more offense in 2019 but our pitching in 2019 will be playoff caliber.

I'm going to spend the afternoon in the Florida sunshine. 77 degrees with the ocean breeze blowing in watching my team. It's still enjoyable to me.
That's not enough. They don't even have a 3 hole hitter.
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Even if they pay big, StL hasnt been a preferred destination for big name free agents in a while.

Donaldson is your best hope because his age and cost will scare some teams away, but Machado will have his choice of the lot.
Cause they haven't been willing to pay top dollar.

Just offer enough to come in 2nd.
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Cause they haven't been willing to pay top dollar.

Just offer enough to come in 2nd.
Not true. They've offered more for players than they have taken elsewhere.
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Not true. They've offered more for players than they have taken elsewhere.
Who would that be? Don't remember that being the case.
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Who would that be? Don't remember that being the case.
Heyward.

Stanton. While Stanton wasn't a money issue, the Cardinals had the best offer on the table and Stanton said no.

How quickly you forget. Or maybe you just want to stick with the narrative of the Cardinals not trying.
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Stanton. While Stanton wasn't a money issue, the Cardinals had the best offer on the table and Stanton said no.

How quickly you forget. Or maybe you just want to stick with the narrative of the Cardinals not trying.
So one example where they offered the most money but the guy went elsewhere?
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So one example where they offered the most money but the guy went elsewhere?
I just gave you 2 examples?
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I just gave you 2 examples?
You just said Stanton wasn't a money issue?
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You just said Stanton wasn't a money issue?
He's already getting paid. They had the best offer on the table for him and the Marlins preferred to send him to StL, but the guy in control, much like a free agent, said no.

Are you really this obtuse?
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He's already getting paid. They had the best offer on the table for him and the Marlins preferred to send him to StL, but the guy in control, much like a free agent, said no.

Are you really this obtuse?
Are we really using 2, really just 1 instance to prove something?

Heyward didn't want to be the alpha so he went to Chicago to blend in and get paid. I'm not sure that's the best example but it works.

Stanton was never going to come to the Midwest. Didn't matter. Again, maybe it's the new norm. I'm skeptical.
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