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Old 02-11-2018, 08:33 PM  
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First US "Safe Injection" Site Expected To Open In California

SF safe injection sites expected to be first in nation, open around July 1
By Heather Knight February 5, 2018 Updated: February 6, 2018 8:26am

San Francisco is on track to open its first two safe injection sites this July, a milestone that will likely make the city the first in the country to embrace the controversial model of allowing drug users to shoot up under supervision. Other cities — including Seattle, Baltimore and Philadelphia — are talking about opening their own safe injection facilities, but San Francisco could get there first. Facilities already exist in Canada, Australia and Europe...The city’s fiscal year starts July 1, and Garcia said safe injection should begin “close to that date.” After officials get a sense of how the first two are working, a third and fourth could open, she said. The safe injection sites will initially be privately funded, though Garcia wouldn’t say where the money’s coming from. She said that will help the city avoid liability, since intravenous drug use is against state and federal law. Opening the sites doesn’t require the approval of the Board of Supervisors or other city officials.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/art...n-12553616.php
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:52 PM   #16
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It's a complicated issue. That's why I posted the article. I don't like the idea of incarcerating people for 'victimless crimes' even if the crime results in self harm. Stuff like this is relatively easy for me to ignore. I live in a low population area and it's pretty easy to avoid users of hard drugs for the most part. But this is something that the higher population areas do have to deal with.
So does that mean you dislike seat belt/motorcycle helmet laws? Those are a couple of the biggest scams ever pulled on us. They are the exact definition of a victim less crime except for self. This not so much.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:57 PM   #17
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Damn, I was hoping this thread was about some new, safer injection molding process or something....

But, no...it’s exactly what I thought it would be.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:57 PM   #18
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So who pays for this habit? The taxpayer I suppose.

They'd be better charging a fee. Why should anyone subsidize someone's habit—especially in an enabling way? Don't agree with that.

Besides I thought the left said we're overpopulated. This is where survival of the fittest should rule.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:59 PM   #19
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I don't like the idea of incarcerating people for 'victimless crimes' even if the crime results in self harm.

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So does that mean you dislike seat belt/motorcycle helmet laws?
It means that I don't like incarcerating people for 'victimless crimes' even if the crime results in self harm.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:59 PM   #20
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America: We have an opioid problem here in America, what can we do?

California: We could open up a center for junkies to come to so they can shoot up opioids.



Holy crap that state is a disaster.
Don't you think it is better than shooting up in public and dying in the streets? Plus it sounds like it may save them money.

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It’s a legitimate worry. Today’s San Francisco is one big unsafe injection site, as many of the city’s estimated 22,000 intravenous drug users openly shoot up in plazas, parks and public transit stations with no consequence, often strewing their dirty needles around them. It’s become the norm to see people on our sidewalks in broad daylight sticking needles in just about every body part.

The safe injection sites could mean fewer dirty needles on the streets, since they’d be collected inside. Public health officials believe that 85 percent of the city’s intravenous drug users would use safe injection sites and that the city could save $3.5 million a year in medical costs.
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:07 PM   #21
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So who pays for this habit? The taxpayer I suppose.

They'd be better charging a fee. Why should anyone subsidize someone's habit—especially in an enabling way? Don't agree with that.

Besides I thought the left said we're overpopulated. This is where survival of the fittest should rule.
That paragraph states that this is being done with private funds. And when did you become a social Darwinist?
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:08 PM   #22
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It's been awhile since I've binge-watched "The Wire," but I can't help but feel like I've seen this plot before.
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It means that I don't like incarcerating people for 'victimless crimes' even if the crime results in self harm.
You know, at least in Missouri. If you get a seat belt/motorcycle ticket that you forget to or don't pay, you sit in the clink until it's paid. I don't mean to be argumentative or anything, just wanted to see where you stand on a similar crime. And much, much less harmful on society
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:10 PM   #24
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You know, at least in Missouri. If you get a seat belt/motorcycle ticket that you forget to or don't pay, you sit in the clink until it's paid. I don't mean to be argumentative or anything, just wanted to see where you stand on a similar crime. And much, much less harmful on society
That incarceration is for refusing to pay money to the State. That's a whole new kettle of fish.
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Don't you think it is better than shooting up in public and dying in the streets? Plus it sounds like it may save them money.
Actually, no I don't. I am good with Commiefornia doing anything they want as a general rule. But as I eluded to with BEP, it never stops there. This privately paid for opium den will be touted as "working wonderfully" in Commiefornia and we should look at doing it nationwide. But of course, we are going to need funding. The American taxpayer would "love" to pay for that because "that's just who we are". Any of this ringing a bell.

This is a liberals wet dream, a scam that portray's junkies as more important than American taxpayers. All they need is to get their toe in the door, and then like Obummer care "we can't take this away from the junkies, THEY DESERVE IT!!! Of course, Commiefornia can and will do what they want, and the rest of us will bend over and like it, but I can and will call out the bullshit!

Damn, I hate the liberal agenda! But I'm getting to really dislike the people that fall for it time and time again just about as much
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That incarceration is for refusing to pay money to the State. That's a whole new kettle of fish.
Fair enough, I know where you stand
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I think it's a pretty damn good idea. Should make the people that are going there enroll in drug therapy though.
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I have walked the streets in San Francisco with the air smelling like piss, homeless people shitting between parked cars next to the curb.

Gay guys openly hitting on you.

This would make sense.
I saw that street a couple of blocks away and turned around and went the other direction. The vast majority of the city has homeless people, but not like you describe.
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If your son or daughter was an addict I guarantee you would want them shooting up in a place like this rather than on the street. Gives them more time to change their ways before they die.
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