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Old 02-13-2018, 04:26 PM  
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Trump pitches plan to replace food stamps with food boxes

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...tration-343245

The Trump administration is proposing to save billions in the coming years by giving low-income families a box of government-picked, nonperishable foods every month instead of food stamps.

White House OMB Director Mick Mulvaney on Monday hailed the idea as one that kept up with the modern era, calling it a "Blue Apron-type program" — a nod to the high-end meal kit delivery company that had one of the worst stock debuts in 2017 and has struggled to hold onto customers. Mulvaney said the administration’s plan would not only save the government money, but also provide people with more nutritious food than they have now.

The proposal, buried in the White House’s fiscal 2019 budget, would replace about half of the money most families receive via the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps, with what the Department of Agriculture is calling “America’s Harvest Box.” That package would be made up of "100 percent U.S. grown and produced food" and would include items like shelf-stable milk, peanut butter, canned fruits and meats, and cereal.

But America’s Harvest Box, which USDA contends would save over $129 billion over 10 years, is not very comparable to startup meal-delivery companies like Blue Apron. For one, the Trump administration’s proposal doesn’t include fresh items, like produce or meat, which are the core of Blue Apron and its competitors. Such products perish quickly and are incredibly expensive to ship.

Asked about how delivery would work, USDA spokesman Tim Murtaugh clarified that states would “have flexibility” in how they choose to distribute the food to SNAP recipients. In other words, the federal government almost certainly would not be picking up the tab for any type of Amazon-style delivery system. “The projected savings does not include shipping door-to-door for all recipients,” Murtaugh said.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue praised the harvest box plan as “a bold, innovative approach” that would give SNAP participants the same “level of food value” as the current system while saving taxpayers money.

The idea that USDA would provide millions of low-income people packages of food on a national scale has not been floated by conservative think tanks, promoted by industry, or sought by previous administrations. Murtaugh said the concept was developed internally at USDA. Mulvaney on Monday credited Perdue for it during a briefing at the White House.

"Secretary Perdue wanted to give it a chance," he said. "We thought it was a tremendous idea."

Numerous questions remain, such as how these boxes would be customized for, say, a family that has a child with nut allergies — or for those who don't eat certain types of meat out of religious or personal reasons. The proposal was so out of left field that some anti-hunger advocates initially thought it was a joke.

Kevin Concannon, who oversaw SNAP during the Obama administration, was aghast when he saw the proposal.

“Holy mackerel," said Concannon, who said it reminded him of when poor people had to line up and wait for local officials to dole out food and other welfare benefits. "I don’t know where this came from, but I suspect that the folks when they were drawing it up were also watching silent movies.”

Other anti-hunger advocates said the concept was reminiscent of wartime rations or soup lines during the Great Depression. The Food Research and Action Center, a prominent nonprofit group, called the harvest box idea “a Rube-Goldberg designed system” that would be “costly, inefficient, stigmatizing, and prone to failure.”

In budget materials, USDA said it would be able to deliver this food at "approximately half the retail cost," a claim advocates found hard to believe. Food-stamp recipients would get their remaining monthly allotment on debit cards that they can use in grocery stores, as they do now. The proposal applies to households receiving at least $90 a month in benefits, which covers more than 80 percent of SNAP recipients. That’s more than 16 million households.

“This proposal focuses on ensuring that all SNAP recipients receive the nutritious food they need at substantial savings by harnessing USDA’s purchasing power and America’s agricultural abundance,” Murtaugh told POLITICO.

Grocery retailers also balked at the proposal, including the Food Marketing Institute — which represents major retailers like Walmart, Kroger and Albertsons, where tens of billions of dollars in SNAP benefits are spent each year. The industry argues that government-packed food boxes would simply be inefficient.

Jennifer Hatcher, the trade group's chief public policy officer, said grocery retailers had worked with USDA and Congress over many years to “achieve a national system, utilizing existing commercial infrastructure and technology to achieve the greatest efficiency, availability and lowest cost."

"As we understand the proposal in the president's budget to create a USDA commodity foods box of staples, each of these achievements would be lost,” Hatcher said. "Perhaps this proposal would save money in one account, but based on our decades of experience in the program, it would increase costs in other areas that would negate any savings.”

Administration officials pointed out that USDA already distributes commodities. Currently, such food items are largely shipped to schools, food banks and other organizations — which in turn distribute the food to those who need it. The Commodity Supplemental Food Program, for example, sends boxes of food to some 600,000 low-income elderly with the help of food banks and other nonprofits. The fiscal 2019 budget seeks to eliminate that program and combine it with the harvest box program.

However, a plan for SNAP recipients would be an exponentially larger undertaking, covering more than 16 million households. While grocery and meal-delivery companies are growing more common, their scale is still relatively small and largely confined to urban areas. Blue Apron, for example, has around 1 million customers.

There are also questions about how the government would get harvest boxes to rural and remote households and whether cutting SNAP benefits spent in stores would hurt mom-and-pop stores in small communities.

“This action would not only destabilize attempts to bring more healthy, fresh foods into the homes of America’s food insecure, but would keep dollars out of local grocery stores and farmers markets, which are critical assets to all communities,” said Jordan Rasmussen, a policy associate at the Center for Rural Affairs, a progressive rural advocacy group.

Concannon, who retired from USDA at the end of the Obama administration, noted that it would ultimately be up to Congress on whether to fund such a proposal — something he said that lawmakers on Capitol Hill weren’t likely to be even remotely interested in creating.

“Even the people who put this forward have to know that the chances of this happening is the same chance of me captaining the next spaceship launching from Florida,” he said.
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:46 AM   #106
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Would these boxes contain cheese? Like actual government cheese?
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:57 AM   #107
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There is a significant amount of fraud in the system, and I have no problem with aggressively weeding that out.

I also HATE that food stamps can be used for more than staples. The US government should ONLY fund reasonable cost-effiicient, basic necessities of a nutritious diet.

But THIS system seems like a complete fiasco. What do you do if you have a kid with nut allergies? Or Mom has a gluten-intolerance? Lactose intolerance? Can only eat Kosher? I mean, come on...?!
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:16 AM   #108
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You really should learn that snap benefits are limited to the underemployed or the elderly or disabled. You must work or be in a training program to get benefits. Just because you are employed doesn't mean you don'y live in poverty.

A provision in the 1996 welfare reform law limited individuals who are over age 18 and under 50 to three months of SNAP benefits out of every three years unless they are working or in a work or training program 20 hours a week.

I recall reading that most households either are underemployed or have young children creating hardships to be employed.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/a-quic...y-and-benefits

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You have to be disable, employed, or in a training program to get food stamps?
Is that what you are telling me?
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:18 AM   #109
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There is a significant amount of fraud in the system, and I have no problem with aggressively weeding that out. It is a Felony to receive over $100 of Snap funds illegally, You are both prosecuted and removed from the program, so they are cracking down

I also HATE that food stamps can be used for more than staples. The US government should ONLY fund reasonable cost-effiicient, basic necessities of a nutritious diet. You only get to buy food, how you decide to spend what you're alloted is not regulated...

But THIS system seems like a complete fiasco. What do you do if you have a kid with nut allergies? Or Mom has a gluten-intolerance? Lactose intolerance? Can only eat Kosher? I mean, come on...?!
This system will never happen but Uncle Sam's USDA grocery superstore may become a reality...But I agree the products should be restricted but it's hard to do.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:29 AM   #111
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Too many people, even people who live in relative comfort, just have no clue about how to max out their food dollar... I roasted a huge chicken just last night that will feed me 3 gut busting, super healthy meals for $6.37

Many of the people on assistance need to learn that sort of thing, so I kinda like the idea of...

50% food box, with considerations made for allergies, religions etc

50% food stamps for more personalized purchases
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:09 PM   #112
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Aircraft carriers are totally the same conversation as welfare fraud. Cases of Pepsi are exactly like jet fuel.


I'm cool with cutting the military budget if you're cool sitting by and watching terrible things happen to people all over the world. Other countries(those friendly to us) have the luxury of smaller military budgets because so much of the world's burden isn't placed on their shoulders.

It seems like we do more than carry our weight as a nation and every time someone is in trouble and getting bullied, who do they call?

I'm completely fine pulling out of any location that isn't a strategic advantage and value to the United States. I will eat sandwiches and watch on TV as #shitholes tear each other apart. The same ones screaming to cut the military budget so that 400lb Tube-top-Tina's can eat their fill of name brand chips, are the same ones who will go apeshit because the US doesn't send a carrier group to help the next earthquake.


I'm all for feeding hungry people and put my money where my mouth is on that subject, I just don't want to see so much fraud and waste. Acting like saving 10% of the Welfare budget isn't worth the time to do it baffles me from a fiscal standpoint. I'll support feeding you and your children if you need it. No problem. I don't want to pay for your pedicure and all of the sugar drinks to give your entire family diabeeetus, where you'll then get disability for everyone to up that check too. At the very least eliminate the soda etc.

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I'm completely fine pulling out of any location that isn't a strategic advantage and value to the United States. I will eat sandwiches and watch on TV as #shitholes tear each other apart. The same ones screaming to cut the military budget so that 400lb Tube-top-Tina's can eat their fill of name brand chips, are the same ones who will go apeshit because the US doesn't send a carrier group to help the next earthquake.
The whole post was great, but THIS part takes the cake
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But this really wouldn't save much money at all, compared to, I don't know cutting the ****ing military in half.
Cutting the military in half would require mutual defense treaties like NATO and SEATO to be abandoned. I would support that because we don't need to be protecting the industrial and agricultural capacity of nations that export large quantities manufactured goods and food supplies into the U.S. I doubt if anyone in a position of leadership in the uniparty (Demopublican/Republicrat, whatever) would approve of that though. Do you?
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I am with you on having nutritional value. SNAP is a nutritional program and some, so called, food items should not be there.

It's the lobbying to keep those items in place that will assure a program like this never happens. How much of Kraft's business comes from SNAP purchases? Think about Coke and Mountain Dew sales too.

Last time I was at the store there was an 8' food display and 12' x 6' of counter space just for M+C. Think about this next time you go to the store, about how much of the high profit, low food value, foods they allocate space for. If it has a lot of space, it's making money. Sales per square inch baby, that's how they look at it.

Stopping sales of food that's NOT really food would be where I would start. I also support 2-1 produce buys for Snap recipients and farmers market acceptance of Snap also.

People need to understand that SNAP is not EBT EBT is just a delivery device where benefit dollars are paid through. If you are a mother of 3 with no income your cash benefits (Welfare) come through the EBT card and they can buy whatever they want with those funds from car repairs to pedicures... SNAP is for FOOD ONLY.

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Aircraft carriers are totally the same conversation as welfare fraud. Cases of Pepsi are exactly like jet fuel.


I'm cool with cutting the military budget if you're cool sitting by and watching terrible things happen to people all over the world. Other countries(those friendly to us) have the luxury of smaller military budgets because so much of the world's burden isn't placed on their shoulders.

It seems like we do more than carry our weight as a nation and every time someone is in trouble and getting bullied, who do they call?

I'm completely fine pulling out of any location that isn't a strategic advantage and value to the United States. I will eat sandwiches and watch on TV as #shitholes tear each other apart. The same ones screaming to cut the military budget so that 400lb Tube-top-Tina's can eat their fill of name brand chips, are the same ones who will go apeshit because the US doesn't send a carrier group to help the next earthquake.(interesting analogy....)


I'm all for feeding hungry people and put my money where my mouth is on that subject, I just don't want to see so much fraud and waste. Acting like saving 10% of the Welfare budget isn't worth the time to do it baffles me from a fiscal standpoint. I'll support feeding you and your children if you need it. No problem. I don't want to pay for your pedicure and all of the sugar drinks to give your entire family diabeeetus, where you'll then get disability for everyone to up that check too. At the very least eliminate the soda etc.
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Cutting the military in half would require mutual defense treaties like NATO and SEATO to be abandoned. I would support that because we don't need to be protecting the industrial and agricultural capacity of nations that export large quantities manufactured goods and food supplies into the U.S.
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