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Old 05-16-2018, 10:08 PM  
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Trump is a racist scumbag: exhibit 932

Before you can convince people to commit atrocities against a group of people you:

- blame them for all the ills of society
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Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting on Wednesday, warning in front of news cameras that dangerous people were clamoring to breach the country’s borders and branding such people “animals.”
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:08 AM   #46
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Supposedly he referenced undesirable people including members of MS-13. That sentence in the article immediately preceded the quote although it ended a paragraph and the quote started a new one. Trumpisms never seem to translate well to text but I would say that he was calling MS-13 animals pending a transcript.
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SHERIFF (Margaret) MIMS (Fresno County, CA): Now ICE is the only law enforcement agency that cannot use our databases to find the bad guys. They cannot come in and talk to people in our jail, unless they reach a certain threshold. They can’t do all kinds of things that other law enforcement agencies can do. And it’s really put us in a very bad position.

THE PRESIDENT: It’s a disgrace. Okay? It’s a disgrace.

SHERIFF MIMS: It’s a disgrace.

THE PRESIDENT: And we’re suing on that, and we’re working hard, and I think it will all come together, because people want it to come together. It’s so ridiculous. The concept that we’re even talking about is ridiculous. We’ll take care of it, Margaret. We’ll win.

SHERIFF MIMS: Thank you. There could be an MS-13 member I know about -- if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.

THE PRESIDENT: We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in -- and we’re stopping a lot of them -- but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.
There is no way of knowing specifically if he was only referring to Gang Members or immigrants and deportees in general without Trump himself coming out and saying.

Which circles back to :

"What is very obvious though, that unlike other instances where the president has bent over backwards to ensure people know he thinks there are "good people on both sides", the president can't be bothered to specify who he thinks are "animals" when talking about nonwhites. "

"and Trump just seems happy to allow the conflation of all immigrants with criminals to remain in subtext."

/The certain threshold they are bitching about? Yeah, thats a warrant. They are bitching about having to obtain a warrant.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:17 AM   #47
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There is no way of knowing specifically if he was only referring to Gang Members or immigrants and deportees in general without Trump himself coming out and saying.

Which circles back to :

"What is very obvious though, that unlike other instances where the president has bent over backwards to ensure people know he thinks there are "good people on both sides", the president can't be bothered to specify who he thinks are "animals" when talking about nonwhites. "

"and Trump just seems happy to allow the conflation of all immigrants with criminals to remain in subtext."

/The certain threshold they are bitching about? Yeah, thats a warrant. They are bitching about having to obtain a warrant.
I'd say, from that transcript, that the conversation was flowing and that Mims brought up MS-13 so Trump was commenting on that. Regarding 'good people on both sides' he was commenting on the issue of whether or not Confederate monuments should be taken down. There are good people on both sides of that particular issue. To find the bad people you have to look deeper than 'both sides', because there are various groups of people with an opinion on the issue and those groups don't necessarily overlap on a lot of other issues.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:22 AM   #48
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sounds like what liberals do with white males

'basket of deplorabels'
It's OK though. The Liberals are all inclusive so if they say you are a deplorable, then you must be a terrible human being because they are inclusive. As long as you 100% back their untenable positions anyway.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:22 AM   #49
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I'd say, from that transcript, that the conversation was flowing and that Mims brought up MS-13 so Trump was commenting on that.
Again, hard to tell. Nothing in his comment connected at all with what she had just said, nor did he use any standard "having a conversation" tells that people use that let's others know they are piggy backing off an earlier comment.

It reads more as a stand alone comment rather than a response to what she just said.

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Regarding 'good people on both sides' he was commenting on the issue of whether or not Confederate monuments should be taken down. There are good people on both sides of that particular issue. To find the bad people you have to look deeper than 'both sides', because there are various groups of people with an opinion on the issue and those groups don't necessarily overlap on a lot of other issues.
Um, the "both sides comment" referred to the protests that saw white nationalists kill someone. Don't bring your revisionist history into here.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:22 AM   #50
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Hard to tell. There is no direct communication line to whom he is referring too.

What is very obvious though, that unlike other instances where the president has bent over backwards to ensure people know he thinks there are "good people on both sides", the president can't be bothered to specify who he thinks are "animals" when talking about nonwhites.

Because if we just look facts, about 40 percent of of ICE arrestees have been non criminal and Trump just seems happy to allow the conflation of all immigrants with criminals to remain in subtext.
“About 40 percent of ICE arrests have been non criminal”

You mean other than breaking our immigration laws?
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:24 AM   #51
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Why? I'm asking you what you thought he meant by that.
LI basically covered it. His words in context are very ambiguous. If he was talking about MS-13 specifically he didn't make it at all clear because he responds to her by talking about "people coming into the country" and doesn't in any way specify who he means before calling them animals. When you're President you generally want to be careful about how you say things, especially in a politically charged subject like immigration. Trump simply doesn't care and seems to get off on making statements that each side can read into how they want. It's hard to tell how much of that is calculated and how much is just Trump being Trump, but it's not a good thing for the country.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:25 AM   #52
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:28 AM   #53
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Um, the "both sides comment" referred to the protests that saw white nationalists kill someone. Don't bring your revisionist history into here.
Dial back your drama and stop trying to inject emotion into the conversation. There is nothing in my post that would qualify as revisionist history. Stick to the point and discuss the issue. Or, go off on a childish tantrum, as you wish. Whatever makes you happy.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:28 AM   #54
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I don't consider it immigration of any type anymore—illegal or not.

I no longer consider mass migrations immigration at all. I think of it like the mass migrations that happened all over Europe thousands of years ago. Where people just move in and take what they can from those already there; or plundered and killed. Ya' know like the Visigoths, the Huns etc. Just in modern form today via squatting, welfare, using school system or infrastructure and forming gangs in some cases. Those migrations created dislocation and a heap of conflict too. That's because it's not controlled.
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LI basically covered it. His words in context are very ambiguous. If he was talking about MS-13 specifically he didn't make it at all clear because he responds to her by talking about "people coming into the country" and doesn't in any way specify who he means before calling them animals. When you're President you generally want to be careful about how you say things, especially in a politically charged subject like immigration. Trump simply doesn't care and seems to get off on making statements that each side can read into how they want. It's hard to tell how much of that is calculated and how much is just Trump being Trump, but it's not a good thing for the country.
He's speaking that way because that's how he talks and that's what got him elected. He isn't going to change now.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:32 AM   #56
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I don't think it's Donger or Oakie. Likely the first two.
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“About 40 percent of ICE arrests have been non criminal”

You mean other than breaking our immigration laws?
Immigration violations, according the S.C., are not criminal violations but civil.

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Dial back your drama and stop trying to inject emotion into the conversation. There is nothing in my post that would qualify as revisionist history. Stick to the point and discuss the issue. Or, go off on a childish tantrum, as you wish. Whatever makes you happy.
Don't partake in revisionist history I wouldn't have to correct you.

Or cry about it. Whatever makes you happy.
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RodeoPants and Loneiguana hate white folks. Racist scumbags calling out racist scumbags. Helluva lot of projection going on.
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