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Old 05-15-2018, 05:56 PM  
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Trump - Liar in Chief

70% of statements out of his mouth is either Mostly False or worse.

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Old 05-17-2018, 06:42 AM   #76
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:43 AM   #77
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:45 AM   #78
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I accept that most likely lean a left, but not overwhelmingly so. Most journalists tend to reflect the communities they serve and/or live.
Let’s focus on national political reporters.



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Well then, we’re at an impasse.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:49 AM   #79
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Well then, we’re at an impasse.
Talking about "journalists" is a lot different than talking about "national political reporters." But that was not your original premise.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:52 AM   #80
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It's a very dangerous thing to have a President that regularly lies and misleads. We shouldn't be normalizing it or accepting it because we like some of his policies.
It would have been nice to hear this sentiment from people on the left when we were being lied to repeatedly by our last two democrat Presidents and if we hadn’t heard so many false allegations of Bush “lying” us into war. It makes posts like yours sound politically self-serving rather than civic-minded. Maybe this isn’t fair to you as an individual, but that’s the landscape your fellow travelers have created for you.

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That's your partisan take. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody with authority on these matters such as a Presidential historian that would agree with that.

And calling Obama a serial liar is flat out nonsense. Most of the things he says are true and non-controversial. Please get your head out of your ass Pat.
I’ll take my opinion over yours or any of your so-called authorities.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:57 AM   #81
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Talking about "journalists" is a lot different than talking about "national political reporters." But that was not your original premise.
The local guy reporting on traffic or the local art festival doesn’t have much relevance here, but he’s probably more liberal than the community he serves anyway.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:03 AM   #82
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:14 AM   #83
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It would have been nice to hear this sentiment from people on the left when we were being lied to repeatedly by our last two democrat Presidents and if we hadn’t heard so many false allegations of Bush “lying” us into war. It makes posts like yours sound politically self-serving rather than civic-minded. Maybe this isn’t fair to you as an individual, but that’s the landscape your fellow travelers have created for you.
Sounds like you're trying to create a false equivalence between the normal lying in politics and the pathological lying done by Trump. There is no comparison to be had between Obama and Trump, or even Trump and the second biggest liar in politics, whoever that would be. He is simply in a league of his own. Obama didn't always tell the truth, but he more than met the standard that we expect from our political leaders.

It's funny you assign me the position of believing that Bush lied us into war as a way to discredit me when I never said anything of the sort, and actually Trump on numerous occasions has said that he believes Bush and the administration lied about WMDs. You see how twisted up you get when you align with pathological liars for partisan reasons?

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I’ll take my opinion over yours or any of your so-called authorities.
Go right ahead. Just letting you know that it doesn't hold any weight to me and isn't an actual argument.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:46 AM   #84
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Sounds like you're trying to create a false equivalence between the normal lying in politics and the pathological lying done by Trump. There is no comparison to be had between Obama and Trump, or even Trump and the second biggest liar in politics, whoever that would be. He is simply in a league of his own. Obama didn't always tell the truth, but he more than met the standard that we expect from our political leaders.

It's funny you assign me the position of believing that Bush lied us into war as a way to discredit me when I never said anything of the sort, and actually Trump on numerous occasions has said that he believes Bush and the administration lied about WMDs. You see how twisted up you get when you align with pathological liars for partisan reasons?
I specifically didn’t assign you any positions. I see that you’re assigning yourself the position of supporting “normal lying”. I’m against lying. I don’t embrace the lies of my side like you’re doing.

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Go right ahead. Just letting you know that it doesn't hold any weight to me and isn't an actual argument.
Neither is your appeal to (a theoretical) authority.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:53 AM   #85
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The lefties are getting this Trump is a pathological liar narrative from the left-wing press. Just read some of those sites. Their sources are inciting this stuff intentionally even though it applies more to their candidate HiLiaRy.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:02 AM   #86
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The lefties are getting this Trump is a pathological liar narrative from the left-wing press. Just read some of those sites. Their sources are inciting this stuff intentionally even though it applies more to their candidate HiLiaRy.
I’m not surprised.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:39 AM   #87
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I specifically didn’t assign you any positions. I see that you’re assigning yourself the position of supporting “normal lying”. I’m against lying. I don’t embrace the lies of my side like you’re doing.
Your position is patently absurd. Every single politician says things that are false, that doesn't necessarily mean they are telling a lie. These are also people who live their life in the public view with everything they say being scrutinized by a rabid media looking to pounce on anything they say. Naturally, we cut politicians some level of slack as a society. That is not the same thing as "embracing lies".

Also, you can't be a Trump supporter and then claim you are 'against lying'. Unless for you being 'against' something means you're perfectly okay with it as long as they serve your political goals. That's like, the textbook definition of a slippery slope.

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Neither is your appeal to (a theoretical) authority.
I didn't appeal to authority though. I said that your opinion is only shared by partisans on your side. That makes it worth very little in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:43 AM   #88
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I’m not surprised.
So you called Trump out as a liar in the thread but somehow are nodding in agreement to BEP's moronic post blaming the media for going after Trump for lying. What the ****, dude?
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