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Old 05-11-2018, 07:18 AM  
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The "Nones" Now Outnumber White Evangelicals

Americans With No Religion Greatly Outnumber White Evangelicals



It’s relatively well-known that the portion of the U.S. population with no religious affiliation has been steadily increasing recently. And for those paying attention to research, it’s also been obvious for a while that conservative evangelicals were beginning to lose “market share” after years of mocking their mainline Protestant cousins of “dying” because of insufficiently rigorous theology and moral strictures.

But now comes a new set of data from years of polling by ABC News and the Washington Post that puts these trends together in a way that might bust some old preconceptions. Between 2003 and 2017, the percentage of adult Americans professing “no religion” grew from 12 percent to 21 percent. And at the same time, the portion of the population made up by white evangelicals dropped from 21 percent to 13 percent. Indeed, the white evangelical population dropped even faster than the white non-evangelical population (which shrank from 17 percent to 11 percent), and the two groups are converging in size.

Among younger Americans, the trends are even starker. In 2003, only 19 percent of adults under 30 professed “no religion.” That percent rose to 35 percent in 2017. That’s compared to only 22 percent who identify with any sort of Protestantism.

When you consider the political power of the different types of believer and unbelievers, these numbers are hard to credit. Recently four members of the U.S. House of Representatives formed a “Freethought Caucus,” dedicated, among other things, to defense of “atheists, agnostics, humanists, seekers, religious and nonreligious persons” against discrimination. Yet those white conservative evangelicals who are now significantly outnumbered by the “nonreligious” have one of the two major political parties catering to them relentlessly; they are also uniformly thought to represent the political “base” for the president of the United States.

If the irreligious ever get serious about flexing their muscles politically, a lot could change in this country, particularly on church-state separation issues. In the meantime, white evangelicals need to get a more realistic sense of their own trajectory, and stop lording it over other people of faith who share their less-than-robust membership trends.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n-america.html

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Old 05-14-2018, 05:55 PM   #61
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So it was Atheism ( lack of belief in fairy tales) and not communism (an ideology that invariably ends up with mass death)?

Communism gets a pass?

Derp. That's like directly blaming christianity for the Nazis.

You have no idea how funny it is to me that anyone takes Ravi's arguments seriously.
Glad to see Ravi pricked your conscience.
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Old 05-14-2018, 09:46 PM   #62
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I am a former conservative Christian that is now happily a none. Christianity has a great message -- Love other people because God first loved you -- anchored to a story and a sacred text that is unbelievable and immoral to anyone who approaches life from a point of view grounded in logic, evidence, and reality. As a none, my guiding principle is: love other people because you're a person too, dumbass. We share a common planet, common ancestry, and common future. People in power use religion to divide us. Most people seem to like it that way. I'm not interested in playing that game at all - especially when you consider how stupid all religions sound to anyone who was not brought up in that culture.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:58 AM   #63
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Glad to see Ravi pricked your conscience.
Is that what you think causes contempt?
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Old 05-15-2018, 12:03 PM   #64
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Sure, I'll judge someone who who is a pedophile. I won't however judge homosexuals, potheads, nonbelievers, those who believe is whatever religion they chose, those who swear, those who like rap music, or any other past time that doesn't infringe on what anyone else is doing.
You seem to have confused your subjective judgement for discrimination.

They're different things. Judgements are how you navigate the social landscape. Even if you SAY you don't do it, you do. You must. Otherwise you'd trust everyone you met.

You don't trust everyone you meet though, do you?
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Old 05-15-2018, 03:49 PM   #65
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You seem to have confused your subjective judgement for discrimination.

They're different things. Judgements are how you navigate the social landscape. Even if you SAY you don't do it, you do. You must. Otherwise you'd trust everyone you met.

You don't trust everyone you meet though, do you?
I believe this topic on judgement arose due to judging those you know, not ones you do not on their personal life choices. The article indicated that we are letting too many indiscretions happen without judgement, and are more open to these. I would inference this article refers to previously taboo choices like homosexuality, drug use, and other loosenings of what we deem acceptable.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:25 AM   #66
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what specifically does this mean?
I've routinely lost my way a bit whenever I've lost my spirituality. I find it again and my life responds in kind.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:54 AM   #67
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I believe this topic on judgement arose due to judging those you know, not ones you do not on their personal life choices. The article indicated that we are letting too many indiscretions happen without judgement, and are more open to these. I would inference this article refers to previously taboo choices like homosexuality, drug use, and other loosenings of what we deem acceptable.
Yeah, I made that point earlier. So many immoral behaviors are down, which is why we're reduced to bitching about who's boning who in what hole. I was picking on you (not maliciously, just playfully) because everyone judges everyone at all times. It's complete bullshit to say you're somehow above that. From the way they dress, to the way they talk, you are forming SOME kind of judgement.

Drug use? WEll, overall drug use is ALSO down (unless you count prescription meds, which yuppies are ALL doped up on like a mother****er)

If you owned a business, would you hire a meth addict?

It's really about what you deem acceptable and not. When you say "Oh, he's gay. That's cool with me" you are still making a judgement. It's not that you judge LESS, it's that you judge with a different standard.
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:14 AM   #68
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I've routinely lost my way a bit whenever I've lost my spirituality. I find it again and my life responds in kind.
When you lose spirituality, does it cause you to start acting and thinking in a nihilistic way?

There is no gotcha here. I don't understand it because I'm not a nihilist and don't act in that way, but I do recognize the pattern of non believers succumbing to nihilism.

As religiosity has declined, belief in woo has increased.

Do I need to describe 'woo'? Bunk new age spirituality bullshit. It's just such an obvious built in mechanism. People HAVE to believe in some weird fantastical shit I guess. I can't understand it. I just have to kind of accept it.

Which I do until they start telling me who to have sex with and why science is the debil
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It seems to me the definition of "Evangelical" has changed. I looked it up and it seems that every Protestant Christian is Evangelical. That's WAY different from my days growing up in the Presbyterian Church. The only Evangelical person I knew growing up was my boss when I worked at Zarda Dairy. He adhered to a strict ideology that was very different (and odd) from my Christian world.
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Yeah, I made that point earlier. So many immoral behaviors are down, which is why we're reduced to bitching about who's boning who in what hole. I was picking on you (not maliciously, just playfully) because everyone judges everyone at all times. It's complete bullshit to say you're somehow above that. From the way they dress, to the way they talk, you are forming SOME kind of judgement.

Drug use? WEll, overall drug use is ALSO down (unless you count prescription meds, which yuppies are ALL doped up on like a mother****er)

If you owned a business, would you hire a meth addict?

It's really about what you deem acceptable and not. When you say "Oh, he's gay. That's cool with me" you are still making a judgement. It's not that you judge LESS, it's that you judge with a different standard.
Fair point. I think ultimately the new form of judgement is "Hey, these people are different from my set of values, but that doesn't make said person an irredeemable heathen who will burn in hell, and deserves punitive punishments like jail time, fines, or denied the ability to be happy".
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:07 AM   #71
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In one three-month span, 14 percent left their church; that rate grew when they examined longer periods of time. “Both studies suggest a great deal of churn among religious organizations driven by political disagreement. While everyday disagreement drives people out across the political spectrum, the public salience of the Christian right specifically helped to drive up the rate of nones.”
I wonder how the numbers will play out now given the last year with the Christian right endorsing pedophilia, stormy, racism, etc., etc..
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